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Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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5. You are being manipulated by mainstream news. You can learn Arabic or Russian and go to Ukraine or Syria or Iraq and inform yourself talking to the people there, both sides of the story, or you can let the TV media tell you what is happening. I have done it(I don't know much Arabic and a little Russian but I have traveled there) and it is quite an astonishment that what TV shows you has nothing to do with reality.…

Note that in English we don’t use the word “manifestation” to mean march/rally/protest gathering, the way the word is used in French.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Must-(re)read: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews - it was 10 years ago.

He mentions: "instead of reading the back and forth of a daily, why not read a weekly review? Instead of a weekly review, why not read a monthly magazine? Instead of a monthly magazine, why not read an annual book?" Can anyone recommend such a weekly or monthly review? One that isn't particularly ideological. It would save so much time.

The Economist is a good weekly review; the stories are very short but the information density is high.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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I quit watching the news right around 1999. My family once challenged me how I knew about important events, and I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know. They challenged me by quizzing me on major recent events. When they did find one that I had no idea about, they asked, "See? Nobody told you about that!" I replied, "You just did." And they have not argued about…

I did the same thing years ago. Same reaction. Nobody in my home watches the news. We are better off

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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TL;DR: 1) You feel better 2) You were never actually accomplishing anything by watching the news 3) Most current-events-related conversations are just people talking out of their asses 4) There are much better ways to “be informed” 5) “Being concerned” makes us feel like we’re doing something when we’re not My own personal experience: I quit watching the news the day after the 2016 Election ended. I felt so ill the n…

I would agree, but some news affect your life deeply. Personally, I'm reading news daily to answer the question "should I complete that Canada residency application today, or can I wait a few weeks?"

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Hacker News, I could never quit you.

Hacker news is incredibly useful to daily life if you're in tech. I've learned many things here that are critical to products I've built over the last few years. This community has worked very hard to avoid wasting my time with exactly the sort of headline news this post is about. Thanks.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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There was a period of time, starting upon the day of, and then continuing for some years after the 9/11 attacks, where "The News" was something you couldn't help but be engrossed by.

Growing up during an era of Johnny Carson, in a house with no cable, and attending high school in the 90's, "The News" was something very different prior to 9/11.

24 hour cable news started providing information on fast moving events, and that was relevent, in the lead up to the Iraq war, when everyone was waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It was obvious something bad would come out of 9/11, but what? There were hushed whispers of an Iraq invasion exfiltrating into grapevines by word of mouth (but not in the news, and not on TV) as early as January 2002, but would it become a reality? And if so, my god, why?

By summer, word of mouth was firm. Iraq was going to be a thing, according to people with family members in the military. And so, you waited for that to show up in the news.

By 2005, George W. Bush had been re-elected, and there was no longer any relevant information to be had.

The ruse was over. It was clear that cable news was a sham. Popcorn, for the mob attending yet another gladiator tournament at the colosseum.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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Must-(re)read: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/hatethenews - it was 10 years ago.

He mentions: "instead of reading the back and forth of a daily, why not read a weekly review? Instead of a weekly review, why not read a monthly magazine? Instead of a monthly magazine, why not read an annual book?" Can anyone recommend such a weekly or monthly review? One that isn't particularly ideological. It would save so much time.

I haven't bought a copy for a long time now, but I used to find that the Guardian's weekly international edition was good for that kind of round up. Lots of in depth articles. I have no idea if it is still like that. Given what has happened to the online Guardian in recent years I suspect it might have similarly gone downhill.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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5. You are being manipulated by mainstream news. You can learn Arabic or Russian and go to Ukraine or Syria or Iraq and inform yourself talking to the people there, both sides of the story, or you can let the TV media tell you what is happening. I have done it(I don't know much Arabic and a little Russian but I have traveled there) and it is quite an astonishment that what TV shows you has nothing to do with reality.…

Look at recent events if you need further evidence of this. The term "fake news" has exploded in just under a month in the mainstream media. If my memory serves me, tabloids like The Enquirer have been sitting on news stands for as long as I can remember. So how did this fervor over "fake news" coalesce so quickly and uniformly? Mainstream outlets move in lockstep with each other and these are the final, desperate de…

The whole FUD campaign regarding "Fake News" is comically hypocritical in my opinion. Glenn Greenwald has an excellent article calling them out for it:

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/09/a-clinton-fan-manufactur...

Edit: Ironically, that post was doing great until it got flagged.

Edit 2: It has been unflagged

Edit 3: Flagged again.

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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post #12

5. You are being manipulated by mainstream news. You can learn Arabic or Russian and go to Ukraine or Syria or Iraq and inform yourself talking to the people there, both sides of the story, or you can let the TV media tell you what is happening. I have done it(I don't know much Arabic and a little Russian but I have traveled there) and it is quite an astonishment that what TV shows you has nothing to do with reality.…

>> both sides of the story

That there is part of the problem. That is a very western phrase that reflects an ingrained system at the root of the problem. Binary is for silicon. There are multiple sides, or there is one. There is almost never exactly two. But we are trained to expect equal time for "both sides". It makes people think they are well-informed, when in reality if you are hearing exactly two stories you are almost certainly being hoodwinked.

This isn't Hotelling. Hotelling occurs where the proponents choose their sides, their stances in a debate. When a news organization wants to inform people that a meteor is heading to earth, picking a pro and con pundit isn't hotelling. That's just manufacturing a controversy where none exists. Note that weather forecasts rarely give "both sides" ... until one wants estimates beyond next month. Then they have to bring in the pro/con people in that manufactured controversy.

A careful citizen should dismiss two-sided debates, or at least realize that "both sides" is a marketing trick. Read the research. Read, and understand, the statistics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotelling%27s_law

Re: Things You Notice When You Quit the News

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I quit watching the news right around 1999. My family once challenged me how I knew about important events, and I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know. They challenged me by quizzing me on major recent events. When they did find one that I had no idea about, they asked, "See? Nobody told you about that!" I replied, "You just did." And they have not argued about…

I don't get why everyone is downvoting this. Care to explain, down-voters? > I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know. This is so true. I told my girlfriend the same thing after she got mad that I quit news and said "Oh, you'll need to know important local news (stabbings, crime in San Francisco, protests for traffic etc). That 1 time where someone 4 blocks from…

So you're relying on others (who are watching the news that you don't want to get contaminated with) to tell you the news? How is that any better than just listening to it yourself? It sounds remarkably worse to me: telephone, but with real events.
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