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Re: Spaced repetition

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I used this at work; while waiting for builds to complete I would use Anki [0] to learn all the names and locations of the countries. It worked pretty well, but it isn't a silver bullet. I retained maybe 50% of the information. [0] http://ankisrs.net/

>I retained You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to continue using the deck , indefinitely or until you're okay with losing it all. When a deck's life is measured in years, most cards' appearance frequency also become measured in years.

I found it really motivating to see the message that a card will appear again in 4 or 7 years! But i never got beyond a year of actually using a deck...

Re: Spaced repetition

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I used this at work; while waiting for builds to complete I would use Anki [0] to learn all the names and locations of the countries. It worked pretty well, but it isn't a silver bullet. I retained maybe 50% of the information. [0] http://ankisrs.net/

What deck(s) do you use? I've been looking for a deck that ideally has one side where there is an image of the country, and I give it the name, and another where there is the name of the country and I click on it in an image, but it's hard to find such a deck.

Anki has various shared decks to download that have things like name, place on map, flag, etc

Re: Spaced repetition

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What deck(s) do you use? I've been looking for a deck that ideally has one side where there is an image of the country, and I give it the name, and another where there is the name of the country and I click on it in an image, but it's hard to find such a deck.

Some people swear that the process of making the deck helps significantly with their ability to retain the material. Personally I find it a waste of time and all time spent editing cards is a waste to me. It doesn't help me. Learning traditionally (taking notes, answering practice questions, etc) from books and reviewing with Anki is the most effective for me.

Ymmv but when building a deck creating mnemonics for each item was really important for me. Made it a lot slower to enter data but much more fun and much more effective in later use.

Re: Spaced repetition

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This is the subject I tackled in grad school. It was super interesting, because many people still believe that memorizing stuff is best if you cram for an extended period of time. Showing them that just a few minutes of review at properly spaced intervals leads to better memorization floored most of the participants. My particular research was the quantify the effects of the variance in follow-up exposure times. I di…

Cramming might actually be the most time-effective strategy for a short recall period (one off exam). But naturally not if the aim is long term recall.

Re: Spaced repetition

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This is the subject I tackled in grad school. It was super interesting, because many people still believe that memorizing stuff is best if you cram for an extended period of time. Showing them that just a few minutes of review at properly spaced intervals leads to better memorization floored most of the participants. My particular research was the quantify the effects of the variance in follow-up exposure times. I di…

The existence of spaced repetition also shows how dysfunctional educational systems (both public and private) are at making evidence-based improvements. If a method with such a clear overwhelming advantage at the stated goal isn't incorporated by schools, what hope is there that they'll make improvements where the evidence is hazier?

It is taken up, just not everywhere and not necessarily at scale. I've personally seen it used eg at Finnish schools - but there the teacher chooses the tool, not the government, so i don't know how common it is.

With more and more devices in class you can expect directed spaced repetition to hit hard. But actually i don't know a single person who didn't at some point get the instruction/advice to use flashcards for foreign language vocabulary. That being said it's not used much in other subjects - because no serious educationalist thinks education is about hammering facts into the brain. It's much more about concepts and critical thinking, at least in any semi-modern classroom .

Re: Spaced repetition

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I find it very frustrating that spaced repetition is the best recourse we (humans) have to remember information. I am regularly concerned with the number of thoughts and interesting ideas I have each day, and don't manage to write down or otherwise preserve. I have begun recording some minor annotations and idle thoughts on paper a month ago and after reviewing them today, I am shocked at how many I simply do not rec…

Are you taking any anti-anxiety medications like Clonazepam? Many medications have a negative effect on memory, but benzodiazepines are well known for this. First thing to check when you suspect memory issues are medications.

I'm on no prescriptions of any kind. I am not describing memory loss, but instead the amount of thoughts lost in "filler time". What were you thinking about between the parking lot and the front door? What did you think about while brushing your teeth? How did you decide what to eat today? A lot of mental decision making and "down time" thoughts never end up in short or long term memory at all.

Re: Spaced repetition

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Med student + developer here. As one that has to memorize insane quantities of information in a limited amount of time, I'll offer some thoughts on my experiences with various memorization strategies mentioned (or not mentioned) in the article.

1. Understanding the "big picture." The idea is, if you understand the mechanism underlying X, you can reason out Y. This works great for physiology-type where things work in predictable ways. Do I need to memorize pulmonary function test results? No. Because I can reason my way through the consequences of different pulmonary diseases. However, this simply does not work for things like anatomy or pharmacology where there are thousands of names of things to memorize (many of which don't provide any clue in the name itself). Yesterday I heard from a friend that worked in a related industry that pharm companies typically pick from a list of randomly generated syllables to choose a name for the generic of their drug. There is incentive to pick an unsavory, unmemorable amalgam of syllables to discourage people from buying the name brand once their patent runs out.

2. Acronyms are sometimes helpful but mostly overused. There are acronyms for literally everything in medicine, to the point where each new acronym runs the risk of being noise. The most helpful ones usually have to do with ascribing the order to things. "Some lovers try positions that they can't handle" for wrist bones or "Oh, Oh, Oh, to, touch and feel very good velvet AH" for the order of cranial nerves. A great example of a worthless acronym is the TORCH infections, which stands for "Toxoplasmosis, Other, Rubella, CMV, and HSV." That "Other" stands for the following: Coxsackievirus, VSV, Chlamydia, HIV, HTLV, Syphilis, Zika. Super helpful... :P

3. Method of loci. My first block of medical school, some two weeks before exams, I bought that oft-touted "Moonwalking with Einstein" book. It was a bit of an act of desperation. I had previously heard the author speak at Railsconf and figured I'd give the whole memory palace a try. I read the book (well, the pertinent parts) and spent a couple days figuring out how to encode chemical names into a person-action-object system. Then I translated the steps of carbohydrate metabolism into a walk around my college campus. Results? It worked! However, it took WAY too long. I could've done the same thing in less time by simply drawing the steps out on a sheet of paper over and over again.

4. The testing effect. Way back in high school, my AP psychology professor gave us reading quizzes before every class based on the studies that showed testing improved recall more than homework assignments. To this day, I remember more from that class than any other class I've taken, even those in college. I wish more professors used this strategy, but it takes more time and prep on their end. My particular medical program only tests at the end of each block in the form giant (8-hour) cumulative exams. On one hand, it's nice to not have to worry about balancing midterms or tests from multiple classes the middle of our eight week blocks. On the other hand, there is no way to benefit from the testing effect.

5. Spaced repetition. I agree with much of what the author has to say about spaced repetition. Yes, it works. But there are two large issues with it. The first one is having the discipline to regularly rehearse the information. Pounding flashcards everyday gets monotonous (and sometimes discouraging). The author argues that spaced repetition prevents you from having to review too much at a time. But that depends on you keeping a pretty strict schedule. Miss a day, and you have double the cards to look at. Miss a couple of days and the amount of cards you have to drill to catch up becomes psychologically prohibitive.

The second issue is that flash card creation is the absolute rate limiting step. Every flash card program that I've looked into (Anki, Quizlet, among others) has a terrible UI. Frustrated by this, I actually spent ~100 or so hours of my first med school block developing my own SRS program. Even with some improvements made to the interface, flash card entry was still too slow, to the point that I stopped using after that first block. A year later, I dusted off my program and I added a feature that allows me to import questions from Workflowy notes taken during lectures. This proved invaluable in studying for my most recent exams (currently using it now). I can keep question-like notes in a readable format on Workflowy, then do a massive import to build my cards.

Another minor issue is that there is no way to value one fact over another. There should be a way to mark something as high-yield so that it appears more often. Sometimes I am faced with a decision of, "Well, I am running out of time... I can drill these cards, or I can open my notes and try to pick out the highest yeild information."

I have a lot of thoughts about improving upon these prohibitive issues with SRS. I'm hoping to roll out a more comprehensive solution next year when I have more time to code.

FWIW here's a screenshot of my current software: http://i.imgur.com/sVTlMvP.png

Re: Spaced repetition

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The first time this hit HN I did an experiment of learning the US state capitals with spaced repetition. Within a couple of weeks, I knew them by heart. So I stopped, and now can barely remember any. Memory is a funny thing! The very infrequent revisiting of stored knowledge beyond the initial learning does appear to be critical.

Re: Spaced repetition

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I find it very frustrating that spaced repetition is the best recourse we (humans) have to remember information. I am regularly concerned with the number of thoughts and interesting ideas I have each day, and don't manage to write down or otherwise preserve. I have begun recording some minor annotations and idle thoughts on paper a month ago and after reviewing them today, I am shocked at how many I simply do not rec…

And then what? You remember everything about your life - for what benefit/purpose/reason? Even if we could remember everything we don't have the time, attention, or brainpower to dutifully filter and process three hundred million seconds (~10-20 years) of memories before making a decision, every decision. You write down all your interesting thoughts and ideas - for who, for what? Other people have already a lifetime…

"And then what?"

Nutritional deficiencies. Aging. Lack of sleep. A variety of diseases. Use of certain drugs (like marijuana).

All of these have been documented to affect memory.

Also, I think one's attitudes towards the past will affect one's memory of it. For example, I am very present- and future-oriented. I rarely dwell on the past or review my day (or my past life in general), I don't keep a journal. I also don't ascribe much importance to most day to day events. As a result (combined with some of the other factors I listed above), I don't really have a great long-term memory. Many of the things in my childhood, and even up to college and beyond are lost to me. Even when I've kept a journal, when I've gone back, I didn't remember many of the things in it. However, I think if I reviewed my journal from time to time, thought about what happened in the past more, or made an effort to remember it, I'd have a better long-term memry. Spaced repetition.

Re: Spaced repetition

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I used this to memorize/train problem solving (applied to compsci problems).

I solve a problem at SPOJ [1], Codeforces [2], or project euler [3] or other similar sites. Put it as a card in Anki and revisit it after it appears again.

Solving the problem for the first time requires some research into algorithms and methods (took as much as 4 hours when I was just starting), and solving it again is remembering the tools.

Nice thing is that the evaluator tells me if I'm right or wrong, or if it takes too much time I've obviously forgotten how it's done.

I unfortunately stopped doing it as most problems take more than a minute to solve (each needs about 10-150 lines of code [depends on problem complexity]) and I eventually had to do 10-20 per day. At a particular moment in my life I didn't have time. I'm thinking of starting it again though as I've noticed my coding was much more fluent.

[1]: http://www.spoj.com/

[2]: http://codeforces.com/

[3]: https://projecteuler.net/

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