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Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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I think the Internet will do a lot to lessen the effect of this when it does happen. People who can work from home probably will, when it costs a quarter to half your days wage just to make it to work it will offset any benefit you get by having a team in the same building.

Also online distribution, things like books might become prohibitively expensive in the physical form and drive everyone to ebooks, all creative products really.

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what do you think triggered the global recession, if not an oil price that spiked to an economy-busting $147/bbl in the two years after production peaked at 85 mbpd?

Ummmm... I kind of thought it was the combination of a US housing bubble in combination with poor risk management in the financial industry particularly respecting mortgates.

http://research.cibcwm.com/economic_public/download/soct08.p...

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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No one with any credibility actually believes he can forecast the price of oil. Oil is very inelastic in the short term, which is why small drops in supply lead to massive price increases. The long-term effect of unavailable or expensive oil will be "demand destruction"-- many of those who currently use oil will either move to alternatives or go out of business-- and political fallout with unpredictable results.

You can manufacture oil for around 100$ a barrel from coal. So the chances for inflation adjusted oil above 200$ / barrel lasting for more than a few months within 50 years is tiny. The best way for current suppliers to maximize profit is to occasionally spike prices, and then drop them before alternatives start to diminish demand.

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/18636-where-does-that-2nd-b-... Quote: In the early 1860's, when oil production began, there was no standard container for oil, so oil and petroleum products were stored and transported in barrels of all different shapes and sizes (beer barrels, fish barrels, molasses barrels, turpentine barrels, etc.). By the early 1870's, the 42-gallon barrel had been adopted as the standard for oil…

That quote doesn't explain why the abbreviation was used about a hundred years before stabndard oil introduced the blue barrel, as claimed by the wikipedia quote in the comment you ansered to. In fact, your quote just reiterates the claim that wikipedia said was probably false, so to make your argument you should instead show that the citations from the late 1700s are wrong. EDIT: This will be difficult, as it is qui…

firmly laid to rest in peas

Ha! The doubled b in bbl is likely an outmoded typographical convention - as in book citation p437, and also pp495-500. I like such archaisms but agree it's a bit confusing and inconsistent with other conventions - eg we don't talk of $5 bbn to mean five billions.

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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No one with any credibility actually believes he can forecast the price of oil. Oil is very inelastic in the short term, which is why small drops in supply lead to massive price increases. The long-term effect of unavailable or expensive oil will be "demand destruction"-- many of those who currently use oil will either move to alternatives or go out of business-- and political fallout with unpredictable results.

People investing in futures do this every day, and some of them are most certainly credible. Southwest Airlines, e.g., seems to be pretty good at saving a buck with aviation gas futures (though that is a step removed from crude oil).

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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No need to guess. Oil production has been flat around 85 million barrels a day for the past four years.

Demand has been lower due to the global recession -- there is no indication that oil production can't go higher than ever before, once demand starts picking back up.

Which has the higher bound -- the amount of oil we can pump out of the ground in a given day, or the demand for that oil given that we have 1 billion new members of the middle class over the last 25 years alone?

What about the next billion?

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what do you think triggered the global recession, if not an oil price that spiked to an economy-busting $147/bbl in the two years after production peaked at 85 mbpd?

Ummmm... I kind of thought it was the combination of a US housing bubble in combination with poor risk management in the financial industry particularly respecting mortgates.

And you believe that!!!

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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I got pretty into peak oil circa 2006, when peak was supposedly already occurring or was going to occur by 2008. It will happen eventually, but I'm not going to get into playing this guessing game again.

You know that 100 years ago people were panicked about peak coal. And "experts" (mostly environmentalists who have an agenda against industrial society) have predicted peak oil every ten years for the last 60.

Re: Why Peak Oil Will Never Lead To $500/bbl Crude Oil

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> Market demand for oil collapses (read: recession) long before it gets anywhere close to $500/bbl. Above $80 a barrel, alternative fuels (such as liquid fuels from coal) becomes profitable. I sincerely expect that this will expand extremely rapidly in the next 15 years.

When demand becomes tight, the price driver is not so much the cost to produce as it is the rate of production . Can we produce five or ten million barrels of oil-from-coal a day? Can we replace a two or three percent annual drop in oil production rates through some combination of conserving and replacement without recessionary demand destruction? I'm not so sure.

We'd switch to more mundane substitutes long before oil got to $500/bbl.

Just the spike to $130/bbl in 2006 saw people switching away from SUVs to Priuses in droves. If that were sustained for any length of time, everyone would be driving a plug-in hybrid to work. The technology exists today, and the production capacity would ramp up pretty quickly.

If every switched from a 20mpg car to a 50mpg car where the first 100 miles of each trip was free, it'd more than make up for anticipated oil production declines over the next 50 years.

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