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CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by noobermin »

Very relevant: See Hypernormalization 2016.

I am mindful about all the hoopla about the CIA not being the most reliable source, but, I have to be honest, I see it and I'm sure a lot of us see it everywhere, on any article that is critical of putin or Russia, floods of comments that extol Putin's strength or simply try to discredit the messenger. This is similar to their MO, confuse and make the public unsure of what is true or false.

This sounds conspiratorial, but I feel I've seen this sort of astroturfing first hand.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by wallace_f »

wallace_f wrote: post #27
dgllghr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CIA is an "ends justify means" organization. And I don't think the ends for them are anything other than "the good of the country" (whatever that means to them at the time). The shady (sometimes downright horrific) things they have done in the past have fit in with that idea. Within that framework, I don't think that they would make these allegations without either good reason to be worried about interference or…

> The CIA is an "ends justify means" organization. Yes, so take what they say or do with a grain of salt. For instance, as I wrote, they told us they had proven Iraq had WMDs but that was later found to not be true. > Also, Bay of Pigs was far from an invasion. We didn't even send in air support! You're manipulating the definition of invasion. An invasion is an invasion. Yes we did not send air planes. And I already…

Instead of downvoting, I wish people would say why they disagree

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by mcphage »

lisivka wrote: post #23
jjoonathan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How, exactly, does TFA fit in to this theory of yours?

I have no idea what is «TFA». However, I am in war with Russia and I welcome republicans, so I assume that Russians are opposite to me.

TFA = "The Fucking Article". The article that this comment thread is attached to.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by williamle8300 »

threeseed wrote: post #16
wallace_f wrote: post #2

The CIA: -Funded and militarized terrorists in foreign countries^6 -Funded Blood and Crips gangs in California through drug smuggling^1 -Facilitated distribution of crack cocaine, contributing to the explosion of crack cocaine in America (The reporter who broke this story was later found to have died to two gunshot wounds to the head. It was ruled a suicide)^2 -Influenced media and created propaganda through Operatio…

Nothing you said is relevant nor useful. It's the equivalent of an ad-hominem attack. What do you have to offer to refute their arguments ?

What? You're an idiot. Read what he wrote again.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by sctb »

williamle8300 wrote: post #36
threeseed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing you said is relevant nor useful. It's the equivalent of an ad-hominem attack. What do you have to offer to refute their arguments ?

What? You're an idiot. Read what he wrote again.

No matter what you're replying to, personal attacks like this are not OK on Hacker News.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by rubberstamp »

wallace_f wrote: post #2

The CIA: -Funded and militarized terrorists in foreign countries^6 -Funded Blood and Crips gangs in California through drug smuggling^1 -Facilitated distribution of crack cocaine, contributing to the explosion of crack cocaine in America (The reporter who broke this story was later found to have died to two gunshot wounds to the head. It was ruled a suicide)^2 -Influenced media and created propaganda through Operatio…

> The reporter who broke this story was later found to have died to two gunshot wounds to the head. It was ruled a suicide

How was it even ruled suicide? How does one shoot ones own head and then shoot it again for a second time? No, am not going to try it and I mean it, so don't make me suicide for questioning this.

> Funded Jihad and Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups

If CIA did it, then isn't CIA a terrorist organization? And if its doing it with support of the president, then ..?

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by bainsfather »

dbcooper wrote: post #7

A couple of takes on these leaks, which seem to be at odds with FBI conclusions: https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/12/09/unpacking-new-cia-leak... https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-w...

Another take from a former British diplomat and ambassador (Craig Murray): https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence...

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by lstroud »

Has anyone seen anything resembling a fact or evidence in all of this?

It wouldn't shock me, given the poor state of the political party's email security, if the emails had been retrieved by multiple entities. I haven't seen anything that illustrates evidence of Russian gov involvement, anything that connects it to an information release, or anything that connects that to intentional election tampering.

It seems more than a little speculative at this point.

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