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Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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post #16

Back in the early 90's the CIA had planned to move to WV; never happened obviously.

Sen. Byrd moved a bunch of federal facilities to the part of WV closest to DC. No entire departments, but significant back-office operations are there. Here's an FBI example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Criminal_Justice_Informati...

Looks like Byrd was behind the attempted CIA move, here's how that ended: http://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal92-...

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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66% of Americans live within 100 miles of the border. It would make more sense to move all the Americans living in the middle (sometimes middle of nowhere) and focus on making the cost of living in major cities more affordable; 9 of the top 10 cities are all within 100 miles of the border.

How can you increase demand for housing and decrease the cost of housing at the same time?

Presumably by subsidizing the housing. Housing is interesting, because what really affects the market is housing stock, not housing investment. But of course housing investment over time builds housing stock.

edit: This wikipedia article proved interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_estate_economics

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that some of the 34% of people living in 'the middle' prefer to live there? I find it hard to believe you are seriously advocating the forced relocation of citizens in the name of making 'more sense'...

I'm suggestioning that American stop subsidizing vast unpopulated areas of its country for the benefit of a subset of the country. Once the subsidies are deverted, the areas will naturally depopulate.

Because unskilled workers (and their children) fare better when uprooted and transplanted into cities???

Farm Bill subsidies have incentivized modes of agriculture that minimize labor inputs, so subsidies have already largely depopulated fly-over country. Are you thinking that these rural folk are getting more than their share of federal services? I don't see how... Interstates have to be maintained anyway, and schools are mostly funded locally. Are you worried about the cost of keeping all those small post offices open?

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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post #3

The author suggests moving all 20k NIH employees to Cleveland, and seems to think that all 20k will go along with this instead of finding different employment that doesn't involve uprooting their families and moving to Ohio.

The basic premise may be disruptive in a "Big Bang" move but could be accomplished gradually by building new facilities and shifting project flow over time. Also, the DoD makes fast changes like this all the time as the result of BRAC. Government employees don't tend to just up and change jobs - they are career workers who like the stability and promise of a pension.

> ...the DoD makes fast changes like this all the time as the result of BRAC.

Nothing fast results from a BRAC decision.

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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I've worked with a lot of ex-federal employees that left mostly due to cost of living in DC (need a married couple both working with a federal salary to live anywhere close to work) and not enjoying the incredible sprawl of the area. Always fantasized about government jobs being relocated to less populated areas. Would be a great chance to develop better planned cities or help rejuvenate areas.

Just a fantasy though. About as likely as high-speed rail from SF to NY.

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suggestioning that American stop subsidizing vast unpopulated areas of its country for the benefit of a subset of the country. Once the subsidies are deverted, the areas will naturally depopulate.

Subsidize? Maybe those vastly unpopulated areas of the country ought to stop feeding those 100 miles from the coast.

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Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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66% of Americans live within 100 miles of the border. It would make more sense to move all the Americans living in the middle (sometimes middle of nowhere) and focus on making the cost of living in major cities more affordable; 9 of the top 10 cities are all within 100 miles of the border.

That 66% includes most of the population of the Midwest as well (all of MI, northern OH, Chicago area, etc.). We're not moving them away from population centers by your evidence. https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-governments-100-mile-b...

It also excludes some major cities on the Mississippi, which are not isolated despite being neither coastal nor near a border.

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm suggestioning that American stop subsidizing vast unpopulated areas of its country for the benefit of a subset of the country. Once the subsidies are deverted, the areas will naturally depopulate.

Because unskilled workers (and their children) fare better when uprooted and transplanted into cities??? Farm Bill subsidies have incentivized modes of agriculture that minimize labor inputs, so subsidies have already largely depopulated fly-over country. Are you thinking that these rural folk are getting more than their share of federal services? I don't see how... Interstates have to be maintained anyway, and schoo…

> Farm Bill subsidies have incentivized modes of agriculture that minimize labor inputs [...]

I once had a passenger who'd been tapped to work in her bank's "wealth management" department (>$10 million portfolio, iirc). One of her clients was the "sweetest" old lady. Farms were part of the portfolio - they'd analyze the productivity of the various properties, and decide to keep or to sell.

I said to myself, "that is NOT farming."

Re: Let’s relocate a bunch of government agencies to the Midwest

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post #16

Back in the early 90's the CIA had planned to move to WV; never happened obviously.

Sen. Byrd moved a bunch of federal facilities to the part of WV closest to DC. No entire departments, but significant back-office operations are there. Here's an FBI example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Criminal_Justice_Informati... Looks like Byrd was behind the attempted CIA move, here's how that ended: http://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal92-...

For context: the `Sen. Byrd` referred to above was the senator from West Virginia from 1959 to 2010. Clearly, he was trying to get federal dollars for his state.
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