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CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by lisivka »

azag0 wrote: post #18
lisivka wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OMG. Downvoted to bottom in less than 10 minutes without any comments. :-[ ]

Of all the people that disagree with me, I'm wiling to engage in a conversation with a certain fraction that is closest to my position, because then I have at least some common baseline from which I can start. I belive many people have the same approach. Your comment does not seem to be in that fraction.

I'm OK with that, I will find someone who has better knowledge about situation in the world and USA. Just don't downvote when you are simply disagree.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by generic_user »

CalChris wrote: post #5
meddlepal wrote: post #3

Sadly nothing will actually come of this because we're all too lazy and comfortable to care.

I wouldn't say lazy quite yet. I'm still in shock that Republicans have done this to the country. Their infatuation with Putin and Trump's open collusion with him are stunning.

> Trump's open collusion with him

Can you provide some proof of this 'collusion'?

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by lisivka »

jjoonathan wrote: post #13
lisivka wrote: post #8

Russians are aimed to elect Clinton, because republicans are natural enemies of Russian dictatorship, while democrats allowed them to start war and capture part of Ukraine despite Budapest memorandum.

How, exactly, does TFA fit in to this theory of yours?

I have no idea what is «TFA». However, I am in war with Russia and I welcome republicans, so I assume that Russians are opposite to me.

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by CalChris »

generic_user wrote: post #22
CalChris wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say lazy quite yet. I'm still in shock that Republicans have done this to the country. Their infatuation with Putin and Trump's open collusion with him are stunning.

> Trump's open collusion with him Can you provide some proof of this 'collusion'?

“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relatio...

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by noobermin »

generic_user wrote: post #22
CalChris wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say lazy quite yet. I'm still in shock that Republicans have done this to the country. Their infatuation with Putin and Trump's open collusion with him are stunning.

> Trump's open collusion with him Can you provide some proof of this 'collusion'?

The linked article?

Also, this is probably nothing that severe, but Ivanka Trump vacationed with Putin's girlfriend[0]...they have indirect personal ties, at least.

[0] http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/291465-ivan...

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by lisivka »

noobermin wrote: post #25
generic_user wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump's open collusion with him Can you provide some proof of this 'collusion'?

The linked article? Also, this is probably nothing that severe, but Ivanka Trump vacationed with Putin's girlfriend[0]...they have indirect personal ties, at least. [0] http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/291465-ivan...

Putin girlfriend is Chinese married woman? LOL

Russia will eat Putin alive if this is true. Do you have any evidences for that, please?

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by wallace_f »

dgllghr wrote: post #6
wallace_f wrote: post #2

The CIA: -Funded and militarized terrorists in foreign countries^6 -Funded Blood and Crips gangs in California through drug smuggling^1 -Facilitated distribution of crack cocaine, contributing to the explosion of crack cocaine in America (The reporter who broke this story was later found to have died to two gunshot wounds to the head. It was ruled a suicide)^2 -Influenced media and created propaganda through Operatio…

The CIA is an "ends justify means" organization. And I don't think the ends for them are anything other than "the good of the country" (whatever that means to them at the time). The shady (sometimes downright horrific) things they have done in the past have fit in with that idea. Within that framework, I don't think that they would make these allegations without either good reason to be worried about interference or…

> The CIA is an "ends justify means" organization.

Yes, so take what they say or do with a grain of salt. For instance, as I wrote, they told us they had proven Iraq had WMDs but that was later found to not be true.

> Also, Bay of Pigs was far from an invasion. We didn't even send in air support!

You're manipulating the definition of invasion. An invasion is an invasion. Yes we did not send air planes.

And I already agreed with your point that the CIA is an organization whose intentions are allied with US national interests, I wrote that in my post actually.

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Post by detaro »

beambot wrote: post #17
belorn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The experiment was official concluded two days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13131251

It's still in the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That's the same rule that has been there for years and not related to the "experiment".

Re: CIA Concludes Russian Interference Aimed to Elect Trump

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Post by wallace_f »

threeseed wrote: post #16
wallace_f wrote: post #2

The CIA: -Funded and militarized terrorists in foreign countries^6 -Funded Blood and Crips gangs in California through drug smuggling^1 -Facilitated distribution of crack cocaine, contributing to the explosion of crack cocaine in America (The reporter who broke this story was later found to have died to two gunshot wounds to the head. It was ruled a suicide)^2 -Influenced media and created propaganda through Operatio…

Nothing you said is relevant nor useful. It's the equivalent of an ad-hominem attack. What do you have to offer to refute their arguments ?

No, an ad hominen attack is a fallacious argument where one party attacks another's character to challenge their argument. The only opinion I wrote about the CIA's character was that they generally contribute to the public good, even if they are not perfect (no one is):

> there is, however, no doubt that they have also made contributions to the public good. I am merely pointing out that the CIA is not a purely altruistic and infallible source.

The rest were just facts that are in the public domain already, not opinions or personal attacks.

If you are being asked to take someone's or an organization's word on something, their credibility is a reasonable thing to address, so that's why the post is relevant.

Your post, however, comes across as attacking the argument with insult without substantiation.

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