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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by zhemao »

dqv wrote: post #76
veddox wrote: post #25

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We move forward by being challenged. We do not move forward by being insulted, slurred or trolled. Mutual respect is the necessary foundation for any constructive interaction.

Are you implying that "safe spaces" promote constructive interaction and mutual respect? Being gay, a safe space is the only place I've ever gone and been called a homophobe and then kicked out. They don't promote constructive interaction and mutual respect. They promote further exclusion: a place where minorities with minority opinions are kicked out.

Imzy is not, nor attempting to be, a safe space by that definition. From the article: "You can get your feelings hurt. You can't get death threats." So far, most of the people that have received bans were like the people who ran the safe space you were kicked out of.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by [deleted] »

NotAMoose wrote: post #272
this-dang-guy wrote: post #223

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The concept is nice but I have a real issue with this part: Why do they need pixel tags for tracking, and why don't they support DNT? No 'new' website should put up with this. I'll cut some slack to the 2010 and before era sites, since they've got a lot of legacy to work with. Pixel Tags. In addition, we use "Pixel Tags" (also referred to as clear Gifs, Web beacons, or Web bugs). Pixel Tags are tiny graphic images wi…

Our emails use Pixel Tags, both our sendgrid emails and our intercom ones. That part of our Privacy Policy is boilerplate from the lawyers, I included that section because of the emails. Sorry if the phrasing is sorta awkward. Regarding DNT- I should mention that we don't actually have advertising on the site. I feel like this might be a bit of flamebait on my part, but I think a lot of the time, DNT is just privacy…

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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by industriousthou »

webwanderings wrote: post #281
grzm wrote: post #276

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I'll be honest. I don't know what your point is right now (which I admit you stated explicitly above: "You are missing the point"), other than to disagree. I've read and re-read your comments in this thread, and this one in particular in an effort to figure out where you're coming from. I see no reason why the consequence of allowing people to join and contribute to an online community where they might do things I'm…

Let me ask you this: If you want to kick "people" off, because they're not playing nicely (according to you, or normal perceptions) then why in the first place you want to invite them? Note my emphasis on people which includes you as well.

If I invite some friends over for drinks and one one them takes a shit on the carpet in my living room I will kick them out. Shitting on the carpet is not playing nicely, according to me and "normal perceptions", whatever that is supposed to mean. I invited them over because I wanted some friends over for drinks, but there are a few things that I will not tolerate in my home. How can you possibly not understand this?

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by industriousthou »

victorhooi wrote: post #161
overgard wrote: post #140

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Well, lets say you know someone who is a legit flat earther. You're not going to change their mind, because such a belief is unreasonable, but if you attempt to reason with them you elevate their social status and accidentally lend credence to them. This is the Fox News "fair and balanced" model -- if you give equal time to both viewpoints, even if one viewpoint is nuts, people will assume that there's a rational deb…

What would you do in real-life? Would you make a mockery of them? Or would you simply ignore them? I find a lot of people (on both sides) will do things online behind the shield of anonymity they wouldn't otherwise in real life. I find this behaviour cowardly. Would you confront these people in real life, and mock them to their faces? I suspect a lot of people who do it online wouldn't in real life (if for no other r…

To be honest, yeah, in a lot of social environments that I've been in, if someone were to make a show of some really bizarre beliefs, they would be openly mocked.

I've worked on construction crews were people will rib each other over almost anything. If you start spouting off about the earth being flat, you're for damn sure going to catch some flak and everyone is going to have a good laugh at your expense.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by [deleted] »

gonmf wrote: post #233
veddox wrote: post #232

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And just how are you going to pursue happiness or use your freedom of speech if you do not have the ability to defend yourself? A healthy body to stand your ground with? An education that enables you to express what you want to say? You are not advocating human rights, you are advocating social Darwinism in its worst form.

I am not advocating. It's just what we have. Decreeing we have the right to health doesn't make diseases disappear. I am advocating not calling this a discussion about human rights but about human wants.

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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

veddox wrote: post #74

I am staggered by the amount of people here who object to Imzy's "Be Nice"-policy on the basis that it limits free speech. To me that seems to be a rather flawed argumentation: a) The First Amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech, explicitly does so in a political context ("Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech"). Imzy is not the US Congress, they don't have jurisdict…

>c) On Reddit and like sites we see behaviour that we would never tolerate if we saw it in real life. Why do we not only tolerate it online, but suddenly elevate such antisocial behaviour of the extremest kind to a mystical status of "expression of free speech"? There is a reason we are taught "manners" as children: without a minimum of politeness, societies cannot function. Politeness and courtesy have to do with respecting another's person even if you don't share his (or her) opinions, with tolerating people who are different from you. And is that not the very epitome of freedom?

Because internet communities regularly raid each-other. Someone who's a dick to you on reddit may just be a troll from 4chan with a new-made alt-account. Community and politeness require a relatively fixed set of identities with which to interact.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

NotAMoose wrote: post #286
webwanderings wrote: post #282

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But Wikipedia proves that the real premise is not sustainable if they don't collect donations. So whether one defines the hierarchy of premises or not, the fact of the matter is that the intention matters. The intention of Imzy seems to be that they want to stand against Reddit, and their stand out qualification is for people to be nice via reward-system. Now here I am not going to go into the argument of whether rew…

I'm saying that literally no where do we say that people should "tip each other for being nice", nor do we have some sort of reward system based on that. That is entirely a thing invented by clickbait headlines. From the medium article I linked: >Most of you know you can tip posts, comments, and communities on Imzy. It was important to us that we include our payments platform in some way from day one, and this was th…

So I am not really a regular Reddit user, nor do I even participate there (I subscribe my selected content there via RSS).

When I joined Imzy, the very first thing I was told, was to use this reward system. But you are saying that it is just a tinniest part of the whole. To me, it seems contradictory because otherwise a tinniest part wouldn't stand out up front.

I am not necessarily against this system (tiny or otherwise), but Imzy clearly seems to have an issue establishing its narrative properly. I recently read or heard somewhere, that it is psychologically proven, that if you tell someone what to do, they won't like it (or they'd do the opposite). You give people unconditional choice, and they won't go home regretting, even if they'd do what you want them to do anyway.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

manigandham wrote: post #283
webwanderings wrote: post #266

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You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.

I think you're missing the point - inviting strangers does not mean the absence of rules of conduct. Any public space is open to strangers, but you can't go around murdering people.

Public space? How are these social media platforms, run by corporations, a public space? What is your definition of a public space?

I was never arguing against the rules, and following the rules.

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