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A short critique of Stallmanism

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Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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Oh, this is hilarious. The art for this blog post was taken from here: http://hackaday.com/2016/01/13/stallmans-one-mistake/ This art was taken without crediting the artist, and without permission from either the artist or the publisher.

How do you know it was taken without permission? Are you the artist?

Author of the Hackaday post. I would know if this were taken with permission. The artist (joe kim) can be found here: http://theartofjoekim.tumblr.com/

In case anyone's wondering, we (hackaday) probably would have allowed the author to use this art, provided we get a link back to the post or some credit to Joe. In the absence of that, we're just going to point and laugh at this guy for clearly demonstrating he doesn't understand copyright.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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> Stallman's rhetoric is filled with this problematic logic on all layers: from trying to correct other people's terminology Yes, this is my main obstacle accepting RMS. In my opinion, he took the word "free", made a term "free software", and described it in accordance with his agenda, while what he advocated only partially conforms to the meaning of the word "free" or "freedom". There are certainly licenses offering…

Freedom was incorporated into liberty a very long time ago. in the 17th century, John Locke famously defined freedom by: *"freedom is not 'A liberty for everyone to do what he likes, to live as he pleases, and not to be tied by any laws.'.

GPL conditions are primarily concerned with freedom from external restraint, such as patents, proprietary licenses and DRM. Negative liberty, which is the freedom from interference by other people, is the other side of the coin from positive liberty, ie the possession of the power and resources to fulfil one's own potential. All FLOSS licenses has positive freedoms, but not all grant negative freedom.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know it was taken without permission? Are you the artist?

Author of the Hackaday post. I would know if this were taken with permission. The artist (joe kim) can be found here: http://theartofjoekim.tumblr.com/ In case anyone's wondering, we (hackaday) probably would have allowed the author to use this art, provided we get a link back to the post or some credit to Joe. In the absence of that, we're just going to point and laugh at this guy for clearly demonstrating he doesn'…

These moments only happen a couple times a year on HN, but they're worth the wait.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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(Here I'm focusing on part 2 and the conclusion of the article, not part 1.)

This article suggests that RMS ought to make his own leftist beliefs an explicit part of the free software movement. As the author is aware, RMS has generally tried not to do this, recognizing that free software advocates can have a wide range of beliefs about other issues, even if a plurality of people in the movement are hold leftist views. In general, RMS has stood for the effort of trying to find common cause around specific issues and principles among people who might radically disagree about other things (another example was the League for Programming Freedom, a single-issue campaign against software patents that actively aspired to include people who disagree with RMS about free software!).

It's true that the big-tent concept could fail as a tactical matter if it turns out that the success of one cause really is indispensable to the success of another, which is a big part of what this article is claiming. But I wish the article had engaged a bit more with the fact that RMS does not appear to agree with this analysis and has consistently wanted people with non-leftist views to join the free software movement, including enthusiastic supporters of capitalism and private property. In other words, it's not an oversight or an accident. (To be clear about this, the classic formulation of RMS's free software philosophy calls for not regarding software as private property -- for example, in "Why Software Should Not Have Owners" -- but stakes out no position on regarding, say, financial instruments, airplanes, factories, companies, plots of land, or apartment buildings as private property. Hence many more people could agree with it.)

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stallman isn't concerned with open source code, but with free software. The difference being a moral philosophical framework that makes DRM unacceptable in any form, because it limits the ways in which the user can modify and redistribute software. No one owns software under the free software philosophy, not even the original creators - code belongs equally to everyone. Since no one owns the code, no one has the righ…

We live under a capitalist system that is driven by the profit motive, and the idea that you can have an "agnostic" system for software, separate from the rest of society, seems like a fantasy to me. Anything that can't be sucessfully integrated by capitalism is fought agaisnt by the system itself, much like an organism defending itself agaisnt a virus. This would deweaponize the whole issue. If you were to legislate…

That agnostic system for software that you think is a fantasy already exists, it was created and is managed by the Free Software Foundation and the GNU Project, both organizations that Stallman started.

Of course, it's not mainstream, but it's definitely not a fantasy. Capitalism isn't the monolithic agency you seem to think it is. There's room for both approaches under the umbrella of capitalism.

Stallman is not opposed to the profit motive. He is perfectly fine with selling software. He just wants you to sell free software.

As it is right now, free software competes with proprietary software in the marketplace. Depending on how you look at it, both approaches can be winning. There is far more free software in use today than there is proprietary software. But of course most of the money is made with proprietary systems.

Stallman is smart and he probably has a better grasp of the realities of the software world than both you or me. He's playing a long game. When he says you should give up your Facebook account, he doesn't really believe you're going to just go and do it. He's giving you a glimpse of a better world, sharing his vision of what could be. This approach has proven extremely successful. He has said that he feels like he's succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. He just never thought he would get this far. He never thought his ideas could gain so much traction.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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> Stallman's rhetoric is filled with this problematic logic on all layers: from trying to correct other people's terminology Yes, this is my main obstacle accepting RMS. In my opinion, he took the word "free", made a term "free software", and described it in accordance with his agenda, while what he advocated only partially conforms to the meaning of the word "free" or "freedom". There are certainly licenses offering…

That's like saying that Spiderman abuses the words Spider and Man by solely referring to a crimefighter who wears blue and red longjohns, or that Star Wars is a lie because the war was neither between stars or over stars.

It's a title for a concept, it isn't a redefinition of the word "free." It is always capitalized. Software can't even be free or unfree in any way other than gratis, unless you're talking about software behind a restrictive firewall - software isn't a person or an animal, generally isn't thought of as having agency or desires, and couldn't care less (or more) about the aspects of whatever license it is distributed under - licensing is for people.

It's unbelievable that this could be the main obstacle in accepting a philosophical and political idea that has material effects on the human condition. What do you do when a "stop" light turns green?

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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RMS' personal choices are important. I could not live with the same ethical purity myself when it comes to software choices (or for that matter, much of anything else). But I have been personally influenced by reading his essays on ethical topics. If he did not live consistent with his personal ethics, not only would he be much less persuasive, but also he would be at conflict with himself.

the critic is right that software freedom does not exist in a vacuum. However, it does not follow that living in an ethical manner is pointless.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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I think this is pretty great analysis, really. Sobering, so to say. I know all of this, but tend to ignore quite often. This is because (unlike Stallman) I don't think I'm fighting a war, I'm just living the way I think is "right". But is it really not my war? In the and, I do believe it would be a better world if some goals of Stallman have been achieved. However, this analysis has the same flaws it points out in th…

"Fighting for FOSS is basically fighting for communism."

Communism is an economic system of physical goods and services, digital and intellectual things aren't either so I don't think it's useful to equate the two. Digital media is easily obtained by anyone so is made with a lock to which the key is sold. The keys are usually some form of digital media, so a central authority is needed to validate the keys. The validation process is also digital, so laws get made to threaten anyone that tries to bypass that process and, instead of preventing attacks on ships, those laws get used to mess up peoples lives that usually don't deserve it. Software is just a big, messy math function, and trying to sell it is just as silly as trying to sell addition. Sell goods; sell services (even the service of writing software); but trying to sell the software itself is pretty much insane; the only way to win at it is to treat your customers like no-good, lying thieves.

Re: A short critique of Stallmanism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is bad form, though, as the original article is very supportive of the Free Software movement, the author may have assumed a Gratis usage of the image. I could not find on Hackaday any specific information about using their content, or not, but they do explicitly mention their general copyrights in their footer... Edit: what I did not say, is that because there is nothing explicit it can not be assu…

You can't assume gratis usage of anything . The free software movement, creative commons, and anything surrounding copyleft is predicated on the fact that everything is copyrighted at its creation. Copyleft is a 'hack' of sorts of copyright, in that the author or owner of a piece of work gives everyone else explicit permission to use it. You can't have copyleft without copyright, and everything is copyright unless it…

Everything that is 'copyleft' is inherently copyright. The protections enshrined by copyright protect 'copyleft' works.
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