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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

60654 wrote: post #43

I've been using imzy since very early on, and I have to say, I really like the idea of it. The basic premise is basically: "do whatever but play nice". And if you don't play nice you get modded and eventually kicked out. I can get behind that TBH. Also, to be sure, they do have some growing pains to go through. There are too many empty communities at this point (they should've started with fewer high-traffic ones). A…

I didn't see this as their basic premise. Their basic premise seems to hinge on the idea of "tipping people's niceness". If I am nice and helpful, then I should expect to earn a penny. And I should do the same to others.

That's actually very similar to the plot of Black Mirror's Nosedive episode.

I tried to hang on there but I didn't find much motivation to "earn anything". I am not even sure why I should reward anyone there.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by grzm »

webwanderings wrote: post #259
morganvachon wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't upvote you enough. I've always likened Internet forums to having guests in my home. If I, as a forum owner, invite you into my home, you are expected to abide by the house rules. If my house rules allow you to destroy the furniture, insult my other guests, and generally raise hell, I won't yell at you for it. But if my rules forbid such activity, I'm well within my rights to kick your ass out. Free speech has…

Your argument is flawed. Your primary intention is to invite total strangers into your house. You then cannot force your rules on them, because they can naturally demand things. Edit: Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You wan…

The invitation isn't to come in and do whatever you please. The invitation contains conditions. In the case of Imzy, one of them is to be nice. And the invitation doesn't necessarily mean you can stay as long as you want flouting the house rules. And the house rules can change if the owner decides the current ones need to change.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

veddox wrote: post #13

The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…

> Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency and civility?

Because nobody is running these social media platforms with proper framework towards the goal of achieving such ideals.

What you are describing is a second-stage natural conditions of humans. What it needs is a push toward the third-stage. I recommend reading late Scott Peck's The Different Drum to understand this missing psychological framework.

Humans are naturally conditioned to be stuck in this second stage where nobody is nice. At first, this is better than being in the first stage, where everyone is nice. The problem however is, that the second stage needs a push towards the third stage (which is where the sanity prevails and people understand each other better).

The social media platforms are geared towards financial motives. If they were to gear towards human motives, they will implement some kind of framework (what Scott Peck did in his days).

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

diyorgasms wrote: post #198
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #175

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> the is no Reddit, only subreddits - each of which is moderated in a different way I was banned for 2 days on the whole platform for following a link to Voat, another link back to Reddit and downvoting a guy who was copy/pasting the same comment all over the thread. (Reddit is surprisingly link-sharing adverse for a site based on link sharing) Reddit exists through the abuses and policies of its administrators. It's…

Voat is where the groups who were kicked off of reddit (pizzagate, jailbait, c--ntown and the rest of the "chimpire", fph) go to organize brigades off-site. It doesn't surprise me in the least that reddit bans people participating in off-site brigading activity, especially from Voat.

So when Reddit links to another site, it isn't "brigading" and the potential DDOS is just an unfortunate consequence, but when a Reddit clone links to Reddit they are the devil incarnate?

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by zhemao »

60654 wrote: post #43

I've been using imzy since very early on, and I have to say, I really like the idea of it. The basic premise is basically: "do whatever but play nice". And if you don't play nice you get modded and eventually kicked out. I can get behind that TBH. Also, to be sure, they do have some growing pains to go through. There are too many empty communities at this point (they should've started with fewer high-traffic ones). A…

The vast majority of communities are user-created, so it's kind of expected that there would be a long tail of community size, especially since there aren't any "default" communities like on Reddit. I think the most popular communities are still fairly active. I'm confident that there'll be more activity now that more people are joining.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

grzm wrote: post #262
webwanderings wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument is flawed. Your primary intention is to invite total strangers into your house. You then cannot force your rules on them, because they can naturally demand things. Edit: Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You wan…

The invitation isn't to come in and do whatever you please. The invitation contains conditions. In the case of Imzy, one of them is to be nice. And the invitation doesn't necessarily mean you can stay as long as you want flouting the house rules. And the house rules can change if the owner decides the current ones need to change.

You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by grzm »

webwanderings wrote: post #266
grzm wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The invitation isn't to come in and do whatever you please. The invitation contains conditions. In the case of Imzy, one of them is to be nice. And the invitation doesn't necessarily mean you can stay as long as you want flouting the house rules. And the house rules can change if the owner decides the current ones need to change.

You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.

Expecting anything doesn't mean putting up with everything.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by makomk »

intortus wrote: post #219
makomk wrote: post #180

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I knew I recognized that username from somewhere. It is indeed neither delicate nor complicated so long as you define hate speech and bullying by whether one particular clique supports it or is against it, since by definition they're always going to have a firm indisputable conclusion on it and anyone who disagrees is the enemy. You don't even have to worry about that clique doxing, harassing or lying about others si…

White hood wearing motherfuckers chomping at the bit to call black people "chimps" is not merely some alternative "clique", as you disingenuously suggest. The problem with tolerance of the intolerant is that you end up with an authoritarian monoculture where speech is much less free than it could have been.

You think that the only reason someone would disagree with you is because they're a literal KKK supporter, but this is somehow fighting against an authoritarian monoculture? Right. Had nothing to do with said clique's awful treatment of LGBT people, dubiously moral tactics, tendency to see anyone who disagrees as literal neo-Nazis, and utter refusal to brook any kind of internal dissent over anything at all, of course. All those times they went after gay and trans men for daring to claim to be oppressed were sure a-OK with me. The fact they could only claim to meet their own basic moral standards by banning anyone who held them to the same standard as the rest of Reddit over anything, as a matter of policy, has zero to do with my assertion that it's not that simple or easy.

(Hell, the ex-Reddit CEO's since confirmed they had a history of IRL harassment campaigns against the families of Reddit admins who didn't go along with them.)

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by NotAMoose »

webwanderings wrote: post #261
60654 wrote: post #43

I've been using imzy since very early on, and I have to say, I really like the idea of it. The basic premise is basically: "do whatever but play nice". And if you don't play nice you get modded and eventually kicked out. I can get behind that TBH. Also, to be sure, they do have some growing pains to go through. There are too many empty communities at this point (they should've started with fewer high-traffic ones). A…

I didn't see this as their basic premise. Their basic premise seems to hinge on the idea of "tipping people's niceness". If I am nice and helpful, then I should expect to earn a penny. And I should do the same to others. That's actually very similar to the plot of Black Mirror's Nosedive episode. I tried to hang on there but I didn't find much motivation to "earn anything". I am not even sure why I should reward anyo…

>Their basic premise seems to hinge on the idea of "tipping people's niceness".

This isn't actually true. Some news article decided that was our basic premise because it made a good clickbait headline. Our tipping system is the beginning of a larger business model that we hope to implement in the future.

https://medium.com/imzyhq/why-imzy-doesnt-have-ads-and-what-...

We don't want to have advertisements on the site, and the tipping system is part of our strategy to avoid that.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by webwanderings »

grzm wrote: post #267
webwanderings wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing the point. Your secondary intention has no relevance because your primary intention is to "invite the strangers". When you invite strangers, you should expect anything.

Expecting anything doesn't mean putting up with everything.

Again, you're looking at secondary matters. Look at the consequences which results due to the primary intention.

Besides, nobody opens up their houses for strangers. So it is a flawed comparison as well. You need to be honest with the premise. You are talking about an online community which is built for a purpose. Your purpose is two-fold. You want to be a nice contributor towards some ideal (nothing wrong with that). Your second purpose is to be self-sustaining (so you can continue your goals). Again, nothing wrong with that either. But none of this has anything to do with open and inviting house, or even strangers. But look at what your purpose does: it necessarily invites strangers. You then have consequence.

You also know in your heart of heart, that if you do not invite strangers (let's also remember that we're talking about the online world), you will never be able to achieve your ideals. Because no matter how big your social circle may be, you cannot achieve your ideals through just the people you know.

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