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Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

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Post by veddox »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #78
veddox wrote: post #74

I am staggered by the amount of people here who object to Imzy's "Be Nice"-policy on the basis that it limits free speech. To me that seems to be a rather flawed argumentation: a) The First Amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech, explicitly does so in a political context ("Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech"). Imzy is not the US Congress, they don't have jurisdict…

There is more to the idea of free speech than simply the first amendment. This essay explains it well: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/29/the-spirit-of-the-first... The general gist is: imagine a world where women who advocate for suffrage and women's rights are ostracized from society, rejected from conferences and fired from their jobs. Those of us who favor a broader concept of free speech feel this is a bad sta…

I would say that in a society like that, there is more amiss than simply a lack of free speech. After all, there are other human rights. However, I see what you mean, and not being a constitutional scholar I shall cede the point.

Nonetheless, you have only addressed one half of a point out of my original three. (You cannot compare a website like Imzy with society at large is what I was trying to drive at in point A.) What do you say to the other two?

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#102

Post by Klathmon »

rch wrote: post #100
Klathmon wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As am I.

I'm going to go with the 'too political' theory, given the experiment that's currently underway. It might be worth bringing this up in discussion when the experiment concludes.

That experiment has ended already.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#103

Post by veddox »

krapp wrote: post #47
bpicolo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech doesn't mean "anything goes even if illegal"

To me, it does. Free speech is an upper bound on human expression - anything less than absolute is something less than "free." I'm not advocating for this - sites should police certain illegal and immoral activities. Doing so is clearly in the benefit of society and the quality of any online community. But accepting this is subjugating free speech for the sake of cultural norms and legal necessity.

That is an extremely loose definition of freedom. Ever heard the dictum "One man's freedom ends where another's begins"? Or, as somebody once put it: "My freedom to swing my fist ends where your face begins."

Liberty for all is only attainable when all restrict their individual liberty to accommodate others. If that isn't the foundation of your society, "homo homini lupus" is what you get.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#104

Post by rch »

Klathmon wrote: post #102
rch wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to go with the 'too political' theory, given the experiment that's currently underway. It might be worth bringing this up in discussion when the experiment concludes.

That experiment has ended already.

Interesting... Maybe this a lingering effect of encouraging a politics-free environment.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#105

Post by yummyfajitas »

rmc wrote: post #91
yummyfajitas wrote: post #28

I really like the attitude of the voat founders expressed in this article: Has the fatpeoplehate group been hard to deal with? This group posted an image of us and called us fat. Instead of removing the image and banning the entire group, we decided to change our lives... I wish this attitude were more common in the world.

That might work if someone is overweight. Now, what if someone posts a message saying "kill urself faggot"

Fat people hate hurts because it's true; it's an external reminder of one's own self inflicted flaws. Random internet hatred is easier to ignore since it's entirely external.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#106

Post by Fnoord »

veddox wrote: post #101
yummyfajitas wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is more to the idea of free speech than simply the first amendment. This essay explains it well: http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/12/29/the-spirit-of-the-first... The general gist is: imagine a world where women who advocate for suffrage and women's rights are ostracized from society, rejected from conferences and fired from their jobs. Those of us who favor a broader concept of free speech feel this is a bad sta…

I would say that in a society like that, there is more amiss than simply a lack of free speech. After all, there are other human rights. However, I see what you mean, and not being a constitutional scholar I shall cede the point. Nonetheless, you have only addressed one half of a point out of my original three. (You cannot compare a website like Imzy with society at large is what I was trying to drive at in point A.)…

> I would say that in a society like that, there is more amiss than simply a lack of free speech.

Every society (and community) has norms which are acceptable, and those which are not. If a person decides to not live according to those norms they're an outcast and will be dealt with as such. The society is like a living organism which will protect its norms in order to survive akin to an auto immune system. Because of these principles every society lives within its own bubble, too.

I suppose Von Trier's Dogville touches upon the subject, but there's countless examples available from Swartz to Snowden. If someone has another (or better, more accurate) example I'm interested hearing yours.

Re: Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit

#110

Post by Shorel »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #10
galfarragem wrote: post #7

> It's like Reddit, without the trolls That's HN.

Reddit definitely does not have the tech focus hn does. Maybe it did in the long past, but not anymore. Definitely not a substitute for Reddit content without the trolls.

Some subreddits are very technical, and also some content from Reddit ends up here.

With the right subscriptions Reddit is quite more technical while HN is still more entrepreneurish.

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