Why dont they call it what it is? A safe space for the left. Looking at the official "politics" section is just liberal-based editorials: https://www.imzy.com/politics I lean left on the political spectrum for most things, but I cant help but think all this "safe space" stuff is what pushed the country into electing trump in the first place- It makes america look and feel weak. Also, the site is ungodly slow and supe…
Imzy wants to be a kinder, gentler version of Reddit
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#72This story got flagged off the front page of HN. Strange?
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#74a) The First Amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech, explicitly does so in a political context ("Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech"). Imzy is not the US Congress, they don't have jurisdiction over anything but their own little niche of the Internet (which absolutely nobody is forcing you to visit if you don't want to) - so why are you upset when they ask you, within the bounds of their community, to be nice?
b) Why does free speech mean that we get to insult and demean each other, even going so far as to sending death threats? I think the German constitution (the Grundgesetz) has a point when it says in Article 5, §2 that the right of free speech is limited, amongst others, by every person's right of dignity ("Recht der persönlichen Ehre" - a hard to translate concept).
c) On Reddit and like sites we see behaviour that we would never tolerate if we saw it in real life. Why do we not only tolerate it online, but suddenly elevate such antisocial behaviour of the extremest kind to a mystical status of "expression of free speech"? There is a reason we are taught "manners" as children: without a minimum of politeness, societies cannot function. Politeness and courtesy have to do with respecting another's person even if you don't share his (or her) opinions, with tolerating people who are different from you. And is that not the very epitome of freedom?
Free speech is perhaps the most fundamental right of any democracy that must be protected at all costs. It is vital for the continuation of a free nation. However, Imzy is not a nation. It is a little website on the Internet. And it doesn't ban dissenting opinion (the real reason why we need free speech) - it merely asks you to remain polite while stating your's. So what is your problem with it?
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#75This story got flagged off the front page of HN. Strange?
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#76I guess most of the world could live in safe spaces like this? But for the creators and doers it's horrific. We move forward by being challenged. That includes everything. (until AI has the ability to filter out things that challenge but don't move us forward)
We move forward by being challenged. We do not move forward by being insulted, slurred or trolled. Mutual respect is the necessary foundation for any constructive interaction.
Being gay, a safe space is the only place I've ever gone and been called a homophobe and then kicked out. They don't promote constructive interaction and mutual respect. They promote further exclusion: a place where minorities with minority opinions are kicked out.
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#77This story got flagged off the front page of HN. Strange?
HN is doing some "no politics week" to "cleanse themselves".
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#78I am staggered by the amount of people here who object to Imzy's "Be Nice"-policy on the basis that it limits free speech. To me that seems to be a rather flawed argumentation: a) The First Amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech, explicitly does so in a political context ("Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech"). Imzy is not the US Congress, they don't have jurisdict…
The general gist is: imagine a world where women who advocate for suffrage and women's rights are ostracized from society, rejected from conferences and fired from their jobs. Those of us who favor a broader concept of free speech feel this is a bad state of affairs even if it isn't Congress doing it.
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#79I really like the attitude of the voat founders expressed in this article: Has the fatpeoplehate group been hard to deal with? This group posted an image of us and called us fat. Instead of removing the image and banning the entire group, we decided to change our lives... I wish this attitude were more common in the world.
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#80The Internet has such an enormous potential in terms of fostering cross-boundary communication, the free exchange of ideas and knowledge, and all the rest of it. It makes me sad to see once again that the greatest thing preventing it from really fulfilling that potential is that we can't stop adults from behaving like kindergarteners. Why is it so difficult to get people to abide by the basic rules of human decency a…