Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

Post by simonh » Fri, Dec 09, 2016, 5:21 PM UTC

Const-me wrote: post #186

simonh wrote: post #168

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But as so explained the example given - MS tablet computers or 'pen computing' shows the opposite. The modern Windows Phone OS would never have happened if Apple hadn't brought out the iPhone. They still be iterating on Windows Mobile. They had to throw out every bit if mobile tech they had and go back to square one. That's almost impossible to do on your own initiative if you've already got an existing viable produc…

> throw out every bit if mobile tech they had WP7 run on Windows CE kernel, same as Windows Mobile. It uses embedded version of .NET and Silverlight, both pre-existing. Even the touchscreen friendly UI language (once called Metro) existed before windows phone, the first product was Zune. The only bits they had to throw out is marketing bits, branding, logos, that kind of BS. The tech however is an evolution, not "bac…

Post by dpark » Fri, Dec 09, 2016, 5:53 PM UTC

simonh wrote: post #168

dpark wrote: post #127

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> If it's really for 5-10 years from now, they should release it in 5-10 years when it's fully baked. You can't go dark and build a product for 5-10 years and then drop it on the market. While you're "baking" for years the market will change around you and you'll find that you built the wrong thing and someone else launched early and took the whole market with iterative improvements. > Poorly thought out, badly imple…

But as so explained the example given - MS tablet computers or 'pen computing' shows the opposite. The modern Windows Phone OS would never have happened if Apple hadn't brought out the iPhone. They still be iterating on Windows Mobile. They had to throw out every bit if mobile tech they had and go back to square one. That's almost impossible to do on your own initiative if you've already got an existing viable produc…

Post by my123 » Fri, Dec 09, 2016, 6:48 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #37

So, Microsoft finally solved the Windows on ARM puzzle. Did it take them more than five years to write an x86 emulator, or did they only decide to try this after Windows RT had failed?

Post by dpark » Fri, Dec 09, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #190

dpark wrote: post #155

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The market for people who care about Linux on a 7" tablet is effectively zero. I'm also pretty sure it supports keyboards. Attaching one permanently and turning it into a 7" laptop would make it unsellable.

Does Android allow you to do any meaningful work? The OS is more of a problem than the form factor. Kindle is for games and Netflix not for homework or doing your taxes.

Post by petra » Fri, Dec 09, 2016, 8:09 PM UTC

xorxornop wrote: post #160

reynoldsbd wrote: post #129

I don't understand all the hate here. Either it will work well or it won't, and the market will decide if it gets to live or die. For a company with resources like Microsoft that has its fingers in so many corners of the market, this seems like a workable, if inelegant, business strategy. I am much more interested in the technical details of such technology. How are they doing this? Is it pure emulation? JIT transpil…

Maw, the emulation is for binary-only apps. .NET can already be built to ARM CLR bytecode, or to ARM native/machine code. This is for apps where you don't, and quite possibly never did, have the source.