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On Getting Older in Tech

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Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#241

Get a job in an industry that uses tech, but isn't itself pure tech (healthcare IT for example). Then your years of domain experience matter.

This is some of the best advice in this thread. There are definitely domains within technology where experience is a key ingredient, but the best insurance against age bias is a deep understanding of technology coupled with a deep domain you have experience in.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#242

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Was it a paycut or really just electing to convert less time into money? So many salaries look and sound impressive until you actually do the math on what it costs you.

It was both. With bonuses and options + salary I took about a 50% pay cut. My hours went from an average of maybe 70 / week to 40/week. My kids, now grown, thought I was a grump. Now they enjoy me being around. Same for my wife. Mostly importantly I was having health issues that less hours and less stress allowed me to get under control. As I said, I have never looked back. I don't miss the money because I don't miss…

It's called compensation for a reason. Sounds like you were compensated for missing out on your family and for trading years of healthy life. Not so tempting when phrased like this, but we often only realise after it becomes "normal".

Also for many there is not much choice. Sounds like you had a top 5% job. Could you exist well without the situation your former life gave you, such as owning your own home and not paying rent. Or would you be forced back into a bad family life to provide for that family?

EDIT: I'm having to reply here as I've hit the fake HN "you're submitting too fast" after doing 2 or 3 posts. The truculent censorship on this site when one hits specific topics sucks.

epalmer: Ok, good for you, and congratulations in finding your equilibrium!

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#243

Not a bad post at all and it definitely hit home for me. I'm 43 and have been doing professional development for 20 years (actually 20 years). I moved permanently to Saigon just 1.5 months ago. I'm teaching the Pivotal software engineering process (agile / extreme) to a 100 person consultancy full of really smart ~20 year olds who didn't know or understand process at all. I keep up on all the latest tech and I have a…

That is the same in the Philippines. Public shame is a big no no. You always want to handle things in private.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#244
I'm always curious whether Zuckerberg stands behind that quote or if he looks back on it today as part of a youthful hubris he regrets today. I know if I look back on my early 20s I remember a lot of similar arrogance that I hope I've shed at least some of today.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#245
I've found out how to sidestep agism - work for yourself. Build it in whatever 'old' language you want, bring value, and profit.

Now I get to sit on the porch and yell at the youngin's "Get off my lawn!"

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#246
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the interview process favors faster (by definition, younger) minds Algo-on-the-whiteboard interviews favour people who have recently been cramming for their final-year CS exams - by SHEER COINCIDENCE they happen to be in their early 20s...

I would even say they favor people who have been cramming algo-on-the-whiteboard type of questions. I mean, there are several businesses built around this (CtCI, leetcode, ...) I know some North American universities have adapted to the practice and are now preparing students, but I assume this is relatively new. My algo and DS classes weren't about cramming at all. Now to be fair, reasonable companies will focus on…

Since everyone knows what they're getting into with a tech interview, I don't see why it's such a bad metric. Many companies purposefully give you a rubric/criteria to study. It's a good way of measuring whether a candidate can take the time to learn/prepare a specific set of knowledge, and then work through problems in a way that includes the interviewer (ie. other devs if hired) in the steps to solve the problem.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#247

Take acid and go to crazy festivals if you want to stay young. No really, do it once at least. You need to bathe in youth from time to time in order to experience it - it's fantastic. Of course you need to keep up to date, try to use your wisdom to understand which technology/language is going to survive the test of time. For example, C/C++ is going to stick around for a while; make sure you're up to date (C++ 14 and…

I'm young but this was invigorating to read.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#248

Oh cool, he made a webshop with an RPG backend. I last did that about 15 years ago, it looked just as awful, and just like him, I was so proud of my achievement at the time, that I couldn't see what an abomination it really was. It's a pity, that customer deserved better. I totally believe age discrimination is real, and the Corgibytes author hits the nail on the head with: > Only as Good as Your Last Two Years of Ac…

I doubt that a lawyer, doctor, or (especially) investor could survive more than a year without constantly investing time in learning about their field.

Yeah, but what you've learned doesn't effectively rot away at the same rate. Old diseases don't go away, people don't develop new organs as they discard old ones.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#249

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"First appeared: 1959" and it looks it. I don't think the author is doing himself any favours by going on about such an archaic language!

...and that's exactly the attitude the author is pointing out.

No, I agree with the parent commenter - but it's not that the language is old that's the problem.

If the friend mentioned lost or left his current job, he'd probably (?) struggle to find another. It wouldn't be nasty ageism, it'd be "sorry all your experience is with a technology irrelevant to us; that we haven't even heard of".

I say this going on the article alone - of course, for all I know the guy's an avid Ruby/Node/Elixir/whatever's-hot user for a range of awesome side-projects.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

#250
I read a study in the 90's comparing more experienced and less experiences multimedia programmers given identical tasks. In short, it concluded that the more experienced ones took longer to do the tasks, but did them to a higher level of quality.

That has always rung true to me, and I see that happening today.

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