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On Getting Older in Tech

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Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Younger people are not smarter. They might learn faster new things. On the other hand, older people understand related new things much better as they already have a large context (experience). The biggest difference of my current self (44) to my younger self is that I did spend much more energy in my projects when I was younger. I created results much faster at the cost of limited consideration. Now, I can still burn…

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Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Younger people are not smarter. They might learn faster new things. On the other hand, older people understand related new things much better as they already have a large context (experience). The biggest difference of my current self (44) to my younger self is that I did spend much more energy in my projects when I was younger. I created results much faster at the cost of limited consideration. Now, I can still burn…

Young people: 1. Learn faster (better memory) 2. Can keep their attention focused longer. Number 1 actually becomes a bane with old people: my relatives over 70 actively developed an active reticence to learn anything new: I even theorized that they are instinctively protecting the limited amount of functional short term memory for vital tasks.

    > Learn faster (better memory)
And yet, when I needed to learn XSLT (and then React), I was able to simply inhale it in one go because of my experience of similar technologies and functional programming, which come about from having been doing this quite a while.

Younger and quicker developers took a lot longer over it and to find their feet because there were many new concepts there for them.

As you get older, there's less to you haven't already learned.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Younger people are not smarter. They might learn faster new things. On the other hand, older people understand related new things much better as they already have a large context (experience). The biggest difference of my current self (44) to my younger self is that I did spend much more energy in my projects when I was younger. I created results much faster at the cost of limited consideration. Now, I can still burn…

I used to be able to burn longer when I was twenty, but I'd spend that fuel on shit I've learned doesn't matter like 100% test case coverage, setting up continuous integration servers, and load testing against massive amounts of traffic I'd never see.

I could go on and on about the stuff I'd do I don't do anymore.

It's not that those things don't have their place, or that all young programmers are guilty of premature optimizations, but there's no difference in terms of productivity between doing nothing and doing things that don't matter at all. It took me a while to learn that, and I still catch myself wasting time.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Not a bad post at all and it definitely hit home for me.

I'm 43 and have been doing professional development for 20 years (actually 20 years). I moved permanently to Saigon just 1.5 months ago. I'm teaching the Pivotal software engineering process (agile / extreme) to a 100 person consultancy full of really smart ~20 year olds who didn't know or understand process at all.

I keep up on all the latest tech and I have a youthful mind and body (most people think I'm in my 30's). I'm the oldest guy in the company and the only American here. This has quickly lead to a lot of personal mentoring on many levels, not just software, but life in general. The culture in Vietnam is strong and my team wants to learn from me. It is very exciting and new for all of us. It has been an amazing experience so far and I look forward to the future.

The best additional advice? Just be nice. It is so simple. The culture here is to never raise your voice or get mad in public, so I've taken it to the other extreme and I just smile and laugh a lot. Even when the servers are melting down. Viet are shy and have poor personal communication skills. By being friendly and nice, they have learned to trust me and that has opened up them up a lot. It has infected my entire team and improved moral almost over night.

Being older has a lot of advantages. I'm loving my 40's way more than my 20's. Cheers! =)

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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My thoughts: "Current tech trends in terms of UI" are generally antithetical to usability. Speed is an important aspect of usability, and web sites and mobile apps are as slow and unresponsive as they've ever been. Like security, performance is a holistic concern; it cuts across layers abstraction (your "stack"). Because even good software is so layered these days, a younger programmer is less likely to have visited…

> Speed is an important aspect of usability. Agreed. But I couldn't bring myself to get past the ugly UI and get to performance testing, bundling / minifications, async calls etc.

Well the site (kettlerusa.com) has crashed now...

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Elon Musk is 45. Does that make him old? Doesn't seem to slow him down. edit: just saying limits seem artificial, that's all

I don't know. But in his case, how does it matter? He's at the top. No-one can be "ageist" on him. Clients or Vendors maybe, but I double at that level, a Company would decide to not hire Elon Musk's Company or his minions because of Musk's age.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Speed is an important aspect of usability. Agreed. But I couldn't bring myself to get past the ugly UI and get to performance testing, bundling / minifications, async calls etc.

Well the site (kettlerusa.com) has crashed now...

There you go. Made my point, despite the downvotes from the Politically correct HN readers.

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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> Want an example where the programmer codes in something other than “antiquated” RPG? How about HTML5, JavaScript, and C#? With all due respect, Sir -- and I understand I will be in your shoes in 4 decades -- the site you've built, using HTML5, JS, Grails, Groovy and what not I presume - kettlerusa.com - has the look and feel of a 90s website (think the whitehouse.gov * unders Bill & Gore's administration), esp. tha…

I don't think we'd better start identifying look-and-feel of websites with programming skill. One thing I've noticed whilst becoming older as a programmer is what pleasure I take in certain sorts of what people call "rookie" errors.

> is what pleasure I take in certain sort of what people call "rookie" errors.

Can you provide an example?

Re: On Getting Older in Tech

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post #16

Younger people are not smarter. They might learn faster new things. On the other hand, older people understand related new things much better as they already have a large context (experience). The biggest difference of my current self (44) to my younger self is that I did spend much more energy in my projects when I was younger. I created results much faster at the cost of limited consideration. Now, I can still burn…

Young people: 1. Learn faster (better memory) 2. Can keep their attention focused longer. Number 1 actually becomes a bane with old people: my relatives over 70 actively developed an active reticence to learn anything new: I even theorized that they are instinctively protecting the limited amount of functional short term memory for vital tasks.

Let's put aside the unsubstantiated claims about biology (and old doesn't mean 70 yrs in this context). Jobs that rely heavily on attention span and learning speed can also quickly get boring and unfulfilling--the more experienced folks probably know to steer away from that.
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