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Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

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Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

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This is essentially a reblog of the (paywalled) The Information article: https://www.theinformation.com/the-reality-behind-magic-leap

Yep. The Information did a ton of deep investigative work on this. If you find this article interesting you should consider supporting them by subscribing.

Sadly the way journalism works today is one outlet does a ton of time-consuming, expensive digging. Then within minutes of posting, every other outlet copies the story

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#32

I don't like pointing out typos, but this one is in the title and should be fixed: it should be "than".

Or even better, change the title to that of the actual article: "Magic Leap is actually way behind, like we always suspected it was". That doesn't appear too long for a HN title.

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#33

Wow. So if Magic Leap is vaporware, does that leave Microsoft as the only ones publicly making progress in AR? Plenty of companies are shipping VR, but AR ends up being the future, HoloLens is building up quite a lead.

Hololens has the lead but whoever get's to the consumer market first will still have a huge advantage. The only thing stopping MS from getting to that point is having a consumer friendly price.

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#34

So VR is hard enough - to avoid jitter that makes users feel sick you have to respond to a user's head movement, render a new frame with the new information the user should see, respond to any button presses, then draw the frame, in under 14-20ms. Magic Leap was always a much more difficult problem... they have to respond to a user's head movement, parse the scene the user is looking at (which could be anything), fig…

Michael Abrash wrote about this a while back and it made me suspect that Magic Leap wasn't where they were pretending to be.

http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/why-you-wont-see-hard-...

Two of the major unsolved problems he talks about are latency and the ability to draw black - I would be surprised if magic leap had solved both of these alone and in secret.

Their vapid press releases didn't inspire confidence either.

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#36

Wow. So if Magic Leap is vaporware, does that leave Microsoft as the only ones publicly making progress in AR? Plenty of companies are shipping VR, but AR ends up being the future, HoloLens is building up quite a lead.

"Magic Leap is vaporware" Where are you getting that? The article seems to imply that feature to feature they are matching the Hololens and that is the worst case scenario.

Edit: On second thought you maybe meeting the exact definition of Vaporware in that they are not manufacturing it yet[1]. No indication that they won't be able to though.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#37

This is essentially a reblog of the (paywalled) The Information article: https://www.theinformation.com/the-reality-behind-magic-leap

I went to https://membership.theinformation.com/subscribe because it looks like something I'd pay for. I hate the trend of not putting pricing upfront. I'm just going to assume I can't afford it.

Edit: possibly $400USD/year from https://hunterwalk.com/2013/12/17/400-for-the-information-is...

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#38

So VR is hard enough - to avoid jitter that makes users feel sick you have to respond to a user's head movement, render a new frame with the new information the user should see, respond to any button presses, then draw the frame, in under 14-20ms. Magic Leap was always a much more difficult problem... they have to respond to a user's head movement, parse the scene the user is looking at (which could be anything), fig…

A trick i've heard at least one of the VR devices is doing isn't re-rendering the entire scene but since most of the movement is just head tracking, it renders a larger buffer and scrolls around in that buffer between frames to get a quicker response.

That only works for very, very minimal differences. It's the Oculus that does this. It guesses where your head will be, renders the scene at that location, and distorts the image slightly to match its guess vs reality. It also introduces a bit of softness, but seems to work pretty well. But it does re-render the whole image each frame.

Re: Magic Leap’s technology may be years away from completion

#40

So VR is hard enough - to avoid jitter that makes users feel sick you have to respond to a user's head movement, render a new frame with the new information the user should see, respond to any button presses, then draw the frame, in under 14-20ms. Magic Leap was always a much more difficult problem... they have to respond to a user's head movement, parse the scene the user is looking at (which could be anything), fig…

That's not the big unsolved problem with augmented reality. Those are all problems VR systems can already solve with enough money and transistors behind them. The AR big problem is displaying dark. You can put bright things on the display, but not dark ones. Microsoft demos their VR systems only in environments with carefully controlled dim lighting. The same is true of Meta. Laster just puts a dimming filter in front of the real world to dim it out so the overlays show up well.

Is there any AR headgear which displays the real world optically and can selectively darken the real world? Magic Leap pretended to do that, but now it appears they can't. You could, of course, do it by focusing the real scene on a focal plane, like a camera, using a monochrome LCD panel as a shutter, and refocusing the scene to infinity. But the optics for that require some length, which means bulky headgear like night vision glasses. Maybe with nonlinear optics or something similarly exotic it might be possible. But if there was a easy way to do this, DoD would be using it for night vision gear.

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