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Post by Perixoog »

xnull2guest wrote: post #68

I'm worried about the freedom of dissenting opinion in civil society from surveillance, not the privacy of my messages. Privacy is something I would easily give up for such freedom. Signal seems to me to one tool in a large profile to maintain freedom of information dissemination and information gathering activity. It seems to me that speaking to a large number of people anonymously is not possible with any of the ex…

If you speak to a large group of people anonymously it's not private.

If it's not private, what you say, how you say it and when you say it can be analyzed to identify you.

It's a people problem not a technical one.

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Post by joecool1029 »

bad_user wrote: post #134
woah wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize that open source licenses required the maintainers to run infrastructure for you.

Open source requires the ability to fork and Signal isn't forkable.

The client and the server (sans voice) are forkable. They don't need to grant a license to use their infra. You can run your own, it just won't federate.

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Post by berdario »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #124
pdabbadabba wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. The actual leaks that WikiLeaks have published have virtually all targetted the Obama administration, so I'm not sure how you suppose the leaks have previously been making the "other team" look bad. By most accounts, Obama and Clinton are on the same "team." 2a. I don't see how you could seriously suggest that WikiLeaks's behavior in this election is no different than what they had done previously. 2b. If you can…

>> "I'm not sure how you suppose the leaks have previously been making the "other team" look bad" The largest leak in US military history?? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak

The Iraq war continued for 3 years under the Obama administration.

In fact, a few americans even believe that Obama was in office during 9/11,and blame him about everything.

I'm also among the people that used to support Wikileaks when they were anti-estabilishment, but I'm now disgusted by them

(only marginally because of their involvement in Trump's election: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/201... )

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Post by linkregister »

Jarwain wrote: post #128
enraged_camel wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be living in some sort of alternate reality, because the leaks that gained WikiLeaks its infamy[1] occurred in 2010, during the Obama Administration. After that, there was another long series of leaks during 2011-2015 [2], which included the complete draft of the TPP (of which Obama was in favor). Furthermore, WikiLeaks used to carefully comb through documents and leak only those that would not cause persona…

There are a lot of people who believe that Wikileaks is compromised and that Assange is captured. There are also some who believe this to be some conspiracy theory. The people who believe the former are waiting on Proof of Life, and do not believe they have gotten it.

Who says that?

If it's you, just say so. If not, what is your point?

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Post by lowpro »

enraged_camel wrote: post #122
woah wrote: post #111

Their goal is to reduce government secrecy by making it hard to keep things secret. You supported this when it was making the other team look bad and you oppose it now. Republicans have taken the opposite view of Wikileaks, and flip-flopped the other way. At least be honest with yourself a see that your only opinion on the matter is that you don't like the other side.

You must be living in some sort of alternate reality, because the leaks that gained WikiLeaks its infamy[1] occurred in 2010, during the Obama Administration. After that, there was another long series of leaks during 2011-2015 [2], which included the complete draft of the TPP (of which Obama was in favor). Furthermore, WikiLeaks used to carefully comb through documents and leak only those that would not cause persona…

At what point did Wikileaks ever scan their releases for personal information? This is completely false. They never have, nor is it feasible to, they just don't have the manpower to do so. That's a major argument against Wikileaks, that it has released names of ops, contacts, and soldiers in the past, far before this election.

What people don't seem to understand is they don't have the manpower or time to go through everything they receive. The bad comes with the good, which is why there are legitimate arguments either way.

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Post by zedred »

kuschku wrote: post #139
zedred wrote: post #98

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> GIF searches are obviously going to use a 3rd party service, and nobody should expect some kind of anonymous encrypted channel for GIF searches. That's ridiculous. GIF searches aren't being transmitted to a third party service, they're being transmitted directly to Wire in plaintext: https://github.com/wireapp/wire-android-sync-engine/blob/4d5... There's tons of stuff like that which leaks in the app. They store yo…

> They store your entire contact list server-side, your plaintext group membership, group info like plaintext group name and plaintext group avatar, etc etc. One has to remember that Signal also stores some social graph data, which is equally problematic. I can’t reocmmend either.

I don't think that's true: https://whispersystems.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand...

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Post by underdown »

berdario wrote: post #144
k-mcgrady wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "I'm not sure how you suppose the leaks have previously been making the "other team" look bad" The largest leak in US military history?? [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak

The Iraq war continued for 3 years under the Obama administration. In fact, a few americans even believe that Obama was in office during 9/11,and blame him about everything. I'm also among the people that used to support Wikileaks when they were anti-estabilishment, but I'm now disgusted by them (only marginally because of their involvement in Trump's election: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media…

What does what a few Americans believe have to do with the comment made?

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Post by Jarwain »

linkregister wrote: post #145
Jarwain wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of people who believe that Wikileaks is compromised and that Assange is captured. There are also some who believe this to be some conspiracy theory. The people who believe the former are waiting on Proof of Life, and do not believe they have gotten it.

Who says that? If it's you, just say so. If not, what is your point?

The subreddit /r/WhereIsAssange/ has been going on about it since he went offline around mid-October. Of course, the discussion there is mixed, and conversation is starting to turn towards him still being in the embassy.

The point being that it is possible that Wikileaks is compromised and that could explain the parent's observation of changed behavior.

Of course, this could just be noise too. -shrugs-

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