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Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by mikey_p »

ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

Battery, reliability, memory usage, are all part of the reason I use Safari.

I've found Chrome to be fairly unstable. We had a case last year with our corporate website relaunch, where a single user reported that our site was crashing Chrome for them and we probably had 60 or 70 people try to unsuccessfully recreate the bug, we tried Browserstack and Sauce to try and had no luck.

Another time we had a few users report incorrect fonts and traced that to a bad build of Chrome that was out for a week or so and the users that updated that week had broken fonts until they updated again.

Then there was the time one of our analytics suites broke when tracking certain links on our site since the request body to their service contained 'cgi-bin' in it, they blackholed the tracking request, and their (rather poor quality) script blocked the page until the request returned - no timeout set at all. This would completely lock Chrome for 10+ minutes when Safari would force a timeout after 20 seconds or so.

All those stories make it clear to me that the most stable option is Safari.

p.s. Not to mention the number of sites I run into now that only work in Chrome because the developers can't be bothered to do cross browser testing. Chrome is like the new Internet Explorer at this point.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by joeblau »

ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

I was a Web Dev for about a decade and I swore by Firefox (started using at 0.6) and then later I switched to Chrome. Recently I've been solely focused on mobile application development and I don't really need most of the development tools that Chrome offers (even though Safari has most of them). At the end of the day, I just need a fast browser without bloat to go here, stack overflow, google, web-based documentation sites, github, product hunt, designer news, youtube and a few other sites.

Chrome is extremely bloated and resource intense on macOS. Each subsequent tab you open linearly increase your CPU and memory Usage. I need CPU cycles to build code, not load gifs from a website that I have in the background. Safari has way better memory and CPU management than any other browser on macOS. The only thing I use Chrome for are websites that require Flash since it's built in.

I just had my friend who uses Chrome take a screenshot of his Activity monitor - He has one "Google Chrome Helper" that's using more resources than my entire Safari browsing experience - http://imgur.com/pMHkKsz

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by coldtea »

johnhenry wrote: post #39

Post like these bother me because they lack context. Sure, the claim in the title is true, (and will remain true, unless something goes terribly wrong at Apple) but by the very nature of the linked resource, at some point it won't tell you whether or not the claim is valid.

>but by the very nature of the linked resource, at some point it won't tell you whether or not the claim is valid.

What are you talking about? The linked resource is a JS feature matrix that shows how each browser does against those 2015/16/17 features, and it shows exactly what Safari tip passes.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

It's efficient.

It's fast.

I don't use plugins (for ads I use GasMask).

Bookmarks and tabs sync with my iPhone.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by MBCook »

ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

Why not? It's incredibly efficient, fast, follows the standard OS X design guidelines, doesn't spy on me constantly. It's what Chrome was BUILT FROM (later they forked).

The only thing Chrome seems to offer is a big plugin ecosystem (which I've never cared about, the one or two I care about exist for Safari) and the fact it's the same browser on other OSes which doesn't matter to me.

It's often the little things. I like being able to use AirDrop and Handoff with my phone/iPad. I like having a native print dialog (who the hell thought THAT was a good idea?). I like my laptop not trying to melt it's self when I open a few pages.

If you were stuck on Windows when FF was nearly dead and Chrome and IE were your only choices I get why people chose it.

If you were on a Mac at the time I've never seen the appeal.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

s_kilk wrote: post #26
eridius wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opera uses Blink now, so I wouldn't expect it to be much better than Chrome.

Opera would surely have less built-in botnet than Chrome, maybe that accounts for the lower power consumption ;)

Were you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by Alex3917 »

fredsir wrote: post #28
ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

More power efficient which is key because I use a laptop all the time, and often on battery power. It fits better with macOS conventions compared to Chrome and Firefox. It's faster. Safari content blockers (I use 1Blocker) seems to not slow down page loading at all compared to conventional ad-blockers on both Safari and Chrome, which does. I used Chrome on Mac for years. Then Safari became better, and then it kept ge…

The power efficiency isn't even close. The 2016 MBP battery lasts about 10 hours running Safari versus 3 hours running Chrome. I've never particularly liked Safari, but I'm close to switching myself because Chrome is such a disaster.

From the energy impact tab on the Activity Monitor:

Chrome: 43

Safari: 0.3

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by lojack »

4ad wrote: post #13
ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

Safari on macOS is the only browser on this planet that implements color management correctly. Safari gives me at least three hours of autonomy on my laptop. Chrome burns CPU like crazy. Not to mention that on Youtube (a Google site) 1080p video uses 1% CPU in Safari while 720p video in Chrome (a Google browser) manages to use 80% CPU. Safari is the only browser that can do ad blocking without javascript extensions.…

> Safari on macOS is the only browser on this planet that implements color management correctly.

This is one of those things that I almost never noticed until I was working with a site that was using one specific color of orange that was dramatically different from what I had in photoshop. It usually isn't something that concerns me too much, but I was adding the ability for content editors to select primary colors of pages (think a super advanced, easy to use CMS), and with the images selected it was painfully obvious. Took me hours of tweaking settings in photoshop and comparing it to various browsers to finally give up and accept that color management in browsers is broken.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by untog »

ggregoire wrote: post #5

Honnest question for Safari users: why Safari? I don't really know Safari. I used Chrome on Windows and iOS, and when I moved to OSX I naturally continued with Chrome. And the dev tools are really great.

For me, it feels a lot faster, and drains power a lot slower.

I agree that the dev tools are poor. But I've gotten into the habit of running a "dev" browser and a "user" browser, so Safari works out great - I do dev work in Chrome, and when it (infrequently) crashes, I don't lose my personal stuff.

Re: Safari Technology Preview supports 100% of the ES2015/16/17 features

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Post by cooper12 »

johnhenry wrote: post #39

Post like these bother me because they lack context. Sure, the claim in the title is true, (and will remain true, unless something goes terribly wrong at Apple) but by the very nature of the linked resource, at some point it won't tell you whether or not the claim is valid.

I mean the title is the whole context. If you're worried about the table not being static, one can ideally refer to an archive [0] (just saved it) or since this is an open source project that is version controlled, the specific revision [1] displayed.

[0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20161208203812/http://kangax.git...

[1]: https://github.com/kangax/compat-table/blob/559825d41e7b8773...

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