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Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Does it really make sense to reuse hardware, optimized for low power usage, when ample power is available? Why not use a real PC in the office, when all the data is in the cloud anyway? I think this is a neat trick, but I don't see the purpose.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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I know I'm in the minority but I tried out Windows Phone for a couple years and loved the interface and the experience. But the app store/vendor lock-in is its achilles heel and ultimately its undoing. When I bought my phone I was betting that more app developers would go HTML5 web apps (and break up the, but the opposite happened, and I felt like I was on the outside looking in with my iOS/Android friends.

I do feel a phone/PC convergence is inevitable, x86 emulation on ARM is the future, and web-based mobile apps will make a comeback, but that day seems far off.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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This is the future but even better if it were without wires...

I'm starting to lose hope about losing wires. I use them whenever I can because wireless solutions tend to be spotty and eat lots of battery power. Are people optimistic that we'll ever truly get rid of wires?

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Greatly agreed. Being able to dock a phone and turn it into a fully functioning desktop is a phenomenal idea and feels like the natural progression. I don't think we'll ever see that with the Mac though unfortunately, and I suspect Apple would never introduce a cursor and windowing system into iOS either.

It's a neat idea, but I think it's an idea ahead of it's time still. There have been docking laptops forever and even that doesn't seem to have taken the world by storm. My PC is configured with terabytes of slow storage, gigabytes of fast storage, a fast CPU, a fast GPU, and applications that need lots of storage and a fast video card and big screens. I'm unconstrained on size and power consumption and optimized for…

personal compute mesh.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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post #52

I know I'm in the minority but I tried out Windows Phone for a couple years and loved the interface and the experience. But the app store/vendor lock-in is its achilles heel and ultimately its undoing. When I bought my phone I was betting that more app developers would go HTML5 web apps (and break up the, but the opposite happened, and I felt like I was on the outside looking in with my iOS/Android friends. I do feel…

Why bother with emulation? The only app I use with any amount of regularity that doesn't run well on arm is spotify.

EDIT: I forgot you where talking about windows, still, if you stick to open source *nix stuff then you really don't have this problem.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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I have a little hard time seeing AR-glasses and minority report like gloves/hand waving (or virtual keyboards) being feasible (at least before a couple of generations of improvements), but perhaps that's lack of imagination on my behalf AR-glasses should be given to programmers and traders. What if AR-glasses could somehow be synchronized with what you're looking at in your IDE/editor? How about "diff-vision?" -- You…

What's the benefit against just visualizing it on the screen? Another problem is how comfortable it is staring through AR glasses hours at and end. I don't want to be the person to only see problems however, there might be some nice scenarios.

What's the benefit against just visualizing it on the screen?

If it was somewhat independent of any particular tool, it's possible that I could diff faster and more conveniently. If I can do it 5x faster than with a desktop tool, then I would probably use diffs a lot more often. It's the kind of change that happened with git vs. svn: certain information became much easier to use, and so the way that information was used fundamentally changed.

I'd also use such a tool differently. Instead of going statement-by-statement or character by character, I'd want to see at a glance the degree of similarity, then transition to a desktop tool to look at details.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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Wow. It just clicked: We could have a future where your personal computer fits easily in your pocket, you can carry it everywhere you go, and you just plug it into whatever monitor & keyboard & mouse you happen to be near by, whether it's in a coffee shop, at work, at home, on an aeroplane, anywhere! It's almost kind of the return of the mainframe & terminal. Your OS & apps would be installed on your device, and your…

It's almost kind of the return of the mainframe & terminal. Man, I hate to be Mr. Pedantic here, but with mainframes/terminals all of the processing and data storage took place on a machine you couldn't see and (probably) didn't control. Which is the exact opposite of having the machine in your pocket. When really what we're asking for is better OS and device support for peripherals. If an iPad had mouse support, I'd…

Yeah that's why I said "almost." I was just drawing parallels.

Re: Microsoft is bringing Windows 10, with desktop app support, to ARM chipsets

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So, Microsoft finally solved the Windows on ARM puzzle. Did it take them more than five years to write an x86 emulator, or did they only decide to try this after Windows RT had failed?

On a Microsoft scale, it's always been trivial to write, I think it has a lot more to do with the gap in phone vs laptop performance shrinking significantly. Mainly because laptops have been stagnant.

Using any kind of desktop software on a 2011 mobile phone would have been horrible, even if the ARM translation were free.

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