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Worried About the Privacy of Your Messages? Download Signal

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Re: Worried About the Privacy of Your Messages? Download Signal

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I found a weird issue on a friends phone when I suggested they download it for iOS. It says "This item is no longer available". They were able to download other apps from the store. When emailing Signal support they said nothing was wrong on their end. Still havent figured out why my friend cant download Signal from Apple App Store.

Maybe device management or policy?

No device management policy. :/

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There are a lot of people on this thread crapping on Signal for its various flaws and downsides. It's nice to be smarter and more informed than everyone, but for the rest of us we really need advice about what we SHOULD do if we want a baseline amount of privacy from mass surveillance.

I'm honestly asking here--I don't have the knowledge that many in this community do about the exact risk of Signal requiring Google Play Services for example. If Signal isn't the answer, what should I and others use who require a usable, reasonably accessible to non-tech-professionals solution?

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I found a weird issue on a friends phone when I suggested they download it for iOS. It says "This item is no longer available". They were able to download other apps from the store. When emailing Signal support they said nothing was wrong on their end. Still havent figured out why my friend cant download Signal from Apple App Store.

What is the device and its version? What iOS version is being used? At the very least Signal requires iOS 8.0 or later.

Yeah thought of that. Made sure it was on the latest version and rebooted. Still didn't work.

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Why isn't anyone talking about Wire? https://wire.com/ The little I've used it, I found it pleasant and effective. But it almost seems like there is a campaign to ignore Wire; nearly every article written about Signal and alternatives fails to even mention Wire.

This looks like a really good replacement for Skype, which we currently use to manage communication between remote working team members.

Until it's owner decides to sell it to eBay or MS like he did with Skype.

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But downloading Signal after news like these will tag people as trying to hide something from the state.

I think it says more about you being so willing to accept the state's logic that if you use such apps you have something to hide and you'll be automatically put on lists, than it says about the people using it. That's exactly how the government wants people to think about this stuff, and it just wants you to give in to plaintext mass surveillance.

Why make it so easy for them?

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My friends and I have used GroupMe (which is owned by Skype) for a few years now and some of us wanted to migrate due to privacy. We tried out Signal, but there were some major usability problems in you intend to use it as a "group chat" replacement. My biggest issue with it is that there is no mute feature for iOS. Yes you can turn off notifications at the iOS level, but I want the ability to only have @-mentions to…

I recently switched from Android to iPhone and was pretty surprised by how much lower quality the Signal app is for iPhone than Android.

Signal for Android was really amazing, and the switch made me think this could be one reason why so many people seem to speak both highly and poorly of Signal. The iPhone app just unfortunately seems to be way behind the Android app.

Not sure why they have prioritized development in that way.

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All the privacy solutions on the market are varying degrees of bad (from a privacy/security/freedom perspective), by which I mean they're all flawed in their own ways. Signal requires Google Play Services on Android. That means it's put simply not a privacy messenger. Yes there's crypto, but it's also tied into Whisper Systems' infrastructure, there's no federation. I use Signal reluctantly, and only on IOS. Threema,…

Matrix has the crypto and the federation. But of course its still not hiding metadata. The Signal Server is open source, as far as I know.

> The Signal Server is open source, as far as I know.

Yes, except for the voice call component.

Re: Worried About the Privacy of Your Messages? Download Signal

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There are a lot of people on this thread crapping on Signal for its various flaws and downsides. It's nice to be smarter and more informed than everyone, but for the rest of us we really need advice about what we SHOULD do if we want a baseline amount of privacy from mass surveillance. I'm honestly asking here--I don't have the knowledge that many in this community do about the exact risk of Signal requiring Google P…

MicroG can replace play services if that is your concern.

previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12864429

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Why isn't anyone talking about Wire? https://wire.com/ The little I've used it, I found it pleasant and effective. But it almost seems like there is a campaign to ignore Wire; nearly every article written about Signal and alternatives fails to even mention Wire.

That's like saying there's a targeted campaign to ignore Skype because these articles don't mention it. You might like Wire, but it's not an app that people concerned with privacy should be using. They have done a bunch of shady things: 1. They lied about having end-to-end encryption in their app: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2855745/new-communications-ap... 2. They lied about being open source for years. 3. They l…

You can't list a bunch of serious claims like the audio can be reconstructed with no additional information. There was a feud between the Signal people and Wire, so there is a lot of false info trying to smear Wire.

GIF searches are obviously going to use a 3rd party service, and nobody should expect some kind of anonymous encrypted channel for GIF searches. That's ridiculous.

I've not seen any lying about being open source. They haven't released every piece of code, but I don't recall them ever claiming they did. https://github.com/wireapp

I've never seen any crypto experts who have audited Wire and said there's anything wrong with their choices, and you supplied no links.

Between all the options, including Signal, I personally think Wire is best, and nothing you've provided has any reason to change that.

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Use Signal and give them access to all your contacts who may or may not be using Signal. Use their proprietary client and trust them on their pinky promise that they "can't" look at your messages. The deceptive pretense of privacy is worse than no privacy at all. [Edit] - "Use their proprietary client and trust them on their pinky promise" was factually wrong. But, they still expect me to trust the signed binary they…

But.. But! Everyone in the geek press said it's "end to end" encrypted! That must mean it's totally safe! I'm sure everyone is reading the source code and building their own clients all the time, yea? Didn't some uber hacker somewhere with a big beard say that he read all the code and it's totally fucking solid and government proof? Surely you don't mistrust all that do you... I mean... Your seem a bit dubious. You c…

The lack of federation is unnerving, but the main server-less alternative I know of is PGP or maybe OTR, and PGP is way too hard for most people IMO. Also, OTR doesn't trust the fingerprint from first messages, so even that introduces an extra hoop to jump through.
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