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What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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Just another front in Thiel's continued war against education. You need an education and experience in order to make the kinds of meaningful breakthroughs we need these days; the valley pushes the college drop-out mythos a little too much.

Agreed, that said universities could do things a lot better in many ways.

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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> none of the successful dropouts ever went back to school. Bill Gates didn’t go back. Mark Zuckerberg didn’t go back. To go back would imply personal failure. I suppose if you view college solely as a means to an end (success), then sure; however, a liberal education has value in and of itself. But I suppose the above thinking is what we get when we make college a prerequisite for secure employment. People go to col…

An alternative view is: "If you're already successful, everything you could learn at a college you can also learn out of college (see: the internet)".

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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The way I look at is that you need to educate yourself, you mostly don't need an education. All of those fellows are constantly educating themselves.

I am pretty sure Theil would agree that some things do require an education such as hard science, medical or engineering. (Although it's certainly possible without)

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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> none of the successful dropouts ever went back to school. Bill Gates didn’t go back. Mark Zuckerberg didn’t go back. To go back would imply personal failure. I suppose if you view college solely as a means to an end (success), then sure; however, a liberal education has value in and of itself. But I suppose the above thinking is what we get when we make college a prerequisite for secure employment. People go to col…

I think you are missing the point by oversimplifying what Thiel actually says.

He isn't talking against all kinds of education. He is talking against large parts which is mostly things that could be taught via self study.

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> none of the successful dropouts ever went back to school. Bill Gates didn’t go back. Mark Zuckerberg didn’t go back. To go back would imply personal failure. I suppose if you view college solely as a means to an end (success), then sure; however, a liberal education has value in and of itself. But I suppose the above thinking is what we get when we make college a prerequisite for secure employment. People go to col…

have you met the trolls passing for educators in higher education these days? all idiots. just like you.

you're all idiots.

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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You have to think who says a 15 year old can't do Advanced Physics, Run a Corporation, Perform Some Surgery. There are definitely works for which hours of experience are necessary, but for most of the things we do today perhaps age is really not a factor.

If experience isn't necessary for a task, you have to ask how hard it really is and how much it should really be rewarded.

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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Just another front in Thiel's continued war against education. You need an education and experience in order to make the kinds of meaningful breakthroughs we need these days; the valley pushes the college drop-out mythos a little too much.

You need knowledge and smarts, one is given by your genetics the other is free online. "The liberal education" is granfalloon pushed by a rent-seeking administrative and professorial class. When we outlawed IQ tests for employment, we became unable to train engineers and other high-IQ professions in house, as minds capable of doing these jobs are rare, companies need to pre-filter before investing resources. As universities are allowed to use such tests, we use education as a proxy for IQ and conscientiousness, as we are outlawed from directly measuring these characteristics. Thus the education bubble.

Thiel is offering alternatives, and rather charitably. Is offering alternatives an act of war?

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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> none of the successful dropouts ever went back to school. Bill Gates didn’t go back. Mark Zuckerberg didn’t go back. To go back would imply personal failure. I suppose if you view college solely as a means to an end (success), then sure; however, a liberal education has value in and of itself. But I suppose the above thinking is what we get when we make college a prerequisite for secure employment. People go to col…

An alternative view is: "If you're already successful, everything you could learn at a college you can also learn out of college (see: the internet)".

That would be an incorrect view.

First, few are so motivated that they'd devote years to self-learning at the same scale as university provide. Next, it would be difficult to put together a cohesive curriculum for yourself because you don't know what you don't know. Relatedly, understanding the arc/trajectory to pick it difficult, and to do it all alone with no guidance means there's no one qualified that you can ask questions from on the daily. It also ignores the value of mentorship, learning from your peers, and being inspired and pushed by your environment. It also is isolating and does not give you any social benefits, business or personal networks.

Re: What Happened to the Thiel Fellows

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> none of the successful dropouts ever went back to school. Bill Gates didn’t go back. Mark Zuckerberg didn’t go back. To go back would imply personal failure. I suppose if you view college solely as a means to an end (success), then sure; however, a liberal education has value in and of itself. But I suppose the above thinking is what we get when we make college a prerequisite for secure employment. People go to col…

I remember Bill Gates said in an interview that he still regularly takes online courses on subjects such as oceanography. People still love to learn, just, I don't think a formal college environment with grades and exams is necessarily a pre-requisite for learning. There are so many alternative mechanisms out there.
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