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Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

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post #70

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And me leaving Facebook solves that problem how? At least now I see when that kind of stuff happens.

It's a good point - leaving Facebook won't solve things like drunken pictures posted by your friends. It will, however, stop things like "Yooooo, did you hit that last night? Wasssuppp!" on your Wall that your family, colleagues and potential employers can see.

If you have friends like that it is your own fault. Expect duche friends to pull duche moves.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#122
I've never been under any illusions about Facebook's business model or intent, but the expansion of their boundaries and Zuckerberg's stance on privacy mean I feel I have to take an ideological stand. Professionally, I argue for strong access controls, user control over data and the ethics of privacy in web applications, and that's incompatible with my continued presence on Facebook.

It's not just hackers and Internet professionals who are worried by this. So I reckon it's up to all of us to create an easy-to-use, secure, friendly web-based framework for us to share and collaborate with our friends.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#123

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Hear hear to that! I'm always puzzled by all these privacy nuts that go on and on about privacy problems with social media sites like Facebook. If something is absolutely private and you do not want to share it outside of one or two people, DO NOT put it on a social media site! Period. In fact, I would go as far as to say never put any critically sensitive information on the web.

well sometimes its your friends.. that will put pictures up of you without knowing, or will tag you in and can't remove it yourself

I thought that one could now veto tags for yourself in pictures? Doesn't prevent you being named in the description.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#125
post #13

Nope. I'm not. Yes, privacy is important. However, the only information that I've ever put on Facebook is information that I'd want everyone else to know. That's why I have a Facebook; to give people who don't know me an idea of who I am and what I'm like, and get a little bit of personal branding out there. For instance, there's at least one little portion of my life that I don't want to be broadcast out to everyone…

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and I'll miss Facebook for the very reason you like it, too. But I'm often more worried about what my friends do that can effect the amount of information out there, about me. Facebook makes it easy to inadvertently share information about your friends. That, I don't like. I'd love a replacement Facebook, one that is a little bit like Facebook used to be: relatively simple, u…

Facebook's new Open Graph makes it easier for a "replacement Facebook" to help you find your friends!

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#126
post #105

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I had a fraternity brother in college who was gay. At some point in time, he realized that he was gay, but didn't want to come out. An incriminating picture was posted on facebook and he was forced to reveal his sexual orientation to all of us (well we kinda suspected anyway) before he was ready in a pretty awkward way. He had to do the same not that long after with his family and it didn't go well at all. All becaus…

> I put the blame mainly on the person who put up the picture, but still, he should have had control over this kind of thing. Facebook isn't special ; it's just a subset of the Internet. If the people at your college had had, say, a mailing list instead, and someone had sent that picture to it (thereby putting a separate, cacheable copy in every person's inbox), would you reason similarly that "he should have had con…

In theory, yes; but in practice, Facebook seems to be the main nexus of these sorts of things. There are things that people will post "publicly" on Facebook that they would never dream of making a separate website for to post publicly. You might assume that nobody would post Photo X on Facebook if they wouldn't also be willing to make www.hereisphotox.com, but it's certainly not the case in practice.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#127
post #7

I've stopped using mine, removed all apps, unfollowed (er, unliked?) all pages. I'd guess the market is ripe for a fb-type site that, for lack of a better phrase, isn't evil. And doesn't have a horrible ux.

What features should it have? (Or not have?)

  1 Reasonable privacy
  2 Plausible deniability (like OTR)
  3 Fast updates
  4 Easily customizable
  5 Client-side extensible interface (Greasemonkey style)
About reasonable privacy, the service shouldn't be able to read content. The provider can tell Alice (user on IP 1) sent something to Bob (user on IP 2) but the message content itself shouldn't be compromised. In particular profile-identifying details should be reasonably safe. This requires client-side encryption, of course.

Plausible deniability isn't that tricky, it mostly requires careful use of protocols at design phase and there is OTR to borrow.

With AJAX or dynamic JS scripts updates should be fast. The intersection of updates of contacts could be done in a single API call with multiple parameters (server-side intersection of data.) Or more scalable but a bit slower by doing multiple calls to separate server clusters (could even be calls to fetch plain files on CDN containing latest updates, aka "the wall".)

I've played a bit with zero-knowledge technologies (similar to Clipperz) and I think it's very doable. The big problem problem lies on images and video. Last year I played with HTML5/canvas with encryption but the CPU and delay is prohibitive since it requires to work on decompressed images pixel-by-pixel.

It would be nice if the major browsers started giving encryption and compression primitives to JS. And even nicer if there was an API to manage images, audio and video.

Chrome NaCl looks also very promising for this kind of disruptive technology.

Of course, the non technical problems of getting traction with users and making it commercially viable are still there just like in any other kind of social network service.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#128
post #30

I never went in - i still don't understand the point of FB or others of their ilk. If i really want to keep in touch with far-flung family, friends - i pick up the phone or drop an email. If they are important to me i will make the effort. I also don't find the need to advertise on a daily/hourly basis what i am doing or tell people about the cool car/bike/tv/ipod etc. i bought. May be its just not for people like me…

Facebook makes everyone a celebrity in their social circle. It makes you and your friends "newsworthy". It lets you check out people you secretly like and gives you another chance to laugh at people you made fun of in school.

It's not about keeping in touch. It's about hanging out and gossipping.

Re: Ask HN: Are you with me? Leaving Facebook.

#130
post #99

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Can you provide an example of facebook "selling private data"? I work there, and it would be a great surprise to me if you could.

Sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook#Beacon The prime example that resulted in a lawsuit settlement. I mean really? Opt-in to reveal your purchasing and browsing habits with selected companies and then spam your friends? http://gawker.com/5426176/facebooks-great-betrayal Another opt-in that is equivalent to Facebook buying web coverage at the expense of user privacy. http://gigaom.com/2010/04/22/facebooks-inst…

The claim that facebook has changed defaults in order to indirectly make more advertising revenue is very different from the claim that checks were written to facebook in exchange for private user data. You implied the latter, and it's bogus.

None of these programs involved facebook giving user data to advertisers. Even the dreaded Beacon was strictly one-way: it allowed sites elsewhere on the Web to publish to facebook, not vice versa.

Out of curiosity, do you hold Google's AdSense up to similar levels of scrutiny? You're aware that a little pixel is on about 70% of the web by hits, piping your interests, proclivities, and browsing history to Google advertisers can target you? Or is it not evil when Google does it?

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