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Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by gohrt »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #23
amelius wrote: post #4

Of course! What researcher would want to work for a company that prohibits scientific publications? I've always been amazed by their attitude. Look at Microsoft Research, and their enormous scientific output over the years. IBM and Google look bleak by comparison, and Apple is not even on the chart.

According to Craig Federighi, senior VP of software engineering, only losers who want to pad their resumes at the expense of their company care about publishing: “Our practices tend to reinforce a natural selection bias — those who are interested in working as a team to deliver a great product versus those whose primary motivation is publishing,” says Federighi. https://backchannel.com/an-exclusive-look-at-how-ai-and…

Federighi focuses on selecting for "interest", but not talent.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by serge2k »

abritinthebay wrote: post #22
Cyph0n wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, comparing the number of papers is meaningless. A better metric is comparing how many significant advances resulted from research funded by the company. Using the second metric, the winner in all cases - without negotiation - would be AT&T Bell Labs.

True, tho Xerox has to be up there as well.

Nah, the transistor is more groundbreaking than anything xerox did.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by hiddencost »

amelius wrote: post #4

Of course! What researcher would want to work for a company that prohibits scientific publications? I've always been amazed by their attitude. Look at Microsoft Research, and their enormous scientific output over the years. IBM and Google look bleak by comparison, and Apple is not even on the chart.

# of papers published is a poor metric (google's published like 40% as many papers, over a shorter period?)

MSR has done cool work and important work, but google's publications have been often been major paradigm shifts. In a lot of ways they're currently way out ahead of everyone else.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by numbas »

mtgx wrote: post #29

My hope is that Apple will continue research on privacy-protecting and privacy-enhancing machine learning, because out of all the big tech companies using machine learning, they may just be the only ones to do that. Some random research for privacy technologies may come out of Google, too, but they are much less likely to actually use them at scale, especially if they conflict with ad revenue.

Actually Microsoft has been publishing a lot on privacy enhancing Machine Learning too.

For instance:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/crypton...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/private...

https://youtu.be/xsaXMUelOEA

As for Apple: seeing is believing.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by dekhn »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #27
Cyph0n wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you consider the number of papers published over the lifetime of IBM, and the fact that IBM Research does work in all levels of computing (materials science -> software), Microsoft's research output looks minuscule in comparison. But if you're considering only CS research, then you might be right. Here is a nice snapshot of the major contributions that came out of IBM Research over the past 60 years: http://www.re…

Intel is also 13 years older, has roots in research and basically started with HUGE projects like the Apollo missions. Class of their own IMO.

intel started with huge projects like missles. The Air Force was their largest and most demanding customer.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by euyyn »

numbas wrote: post #34
mtgx wrote: post #29

My hope is that Apple will continue research on privacy-protecting and privacy-enhancing machine learning, because out of all the big tech companies using machine learning, they may just be the only ones to do that. Some random research for privacy technologies may come out of Google, too, but they are much less likely to actually use them at scale, especially if they conflict with ad revenue.

Actually Microsoft has been publishing a lot on privacy enhancing Machine Learning too. For instance: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/crypton... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/private... https://youtu.be/xsaXMUelOEA As for Apple: seeing is believing.

And Google started publishing on differential privacy in 2014, way before Apple used WWDC's marketing to paint themselves as the only ones using it.

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by givinguflac »

euyyn wrote: post #38
numbas wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually Microsoft has been publishing a lot on privacy enhancing Machine Learning too. For instance: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/crypton... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/private... https://youtu.be/xsaXMUelOEA As for Apple: seeing is believing.

And Google started publishing on differential privacy in 2014, way before Apple used WWDC's marketing to paint themselves as the only ones using it.

Genuinely curious, where does google actually use differential privacy?

Re: Apple to Start Publishing AI Research

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Post by hota_mazi »

> Researchers say among the reasons Apple has failed to keep pace is its unwillingness to allow its AI engineers to publish scientific papers, stymieing its ability to feed off wider advances in the field.

I don't follow. How would preventing employees from writing papers would stop them from reading papers?

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