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An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Maybe rEFInd[1] can help! UEFI has some cool things, like you don't really need a bootloader if you don't mind switching kernels. Just tell the bios which partition you want to boot. [1] http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/

>Just tell the bios which partition you want to boot. That would work! Thanks a lot.

In case of, I found that tool when I was searching for something just like efibootmgr (it might help too).

Have fun, you don't have to wait.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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I'm so glad this one reached the top page in HN. It's our chance to talk about it. I've been using Linux on my personal and professional desktops since 2006. I really enjoyed when Ubuntu got its presence and relevance in the scene, and I didn't mind when they decided to adopt Unity. KDE has always been my preferred option until I read an article where Linus T. said he used Gnome. So by the time I moved to Gnome I als…

The only "trouble" I have had with UEFI was when I moved my wife's HDD from the old to the new Laptop (a Tuxedo btw that ships by default with some Linux). A live usb repair distro (I don't remember which one, I started from looking at SuperGrubDisk but ended up elsewhere) dealt with that quickly. She, not a computer person, is using Kubuntu for years.

Later, I got also the same laptop and moving my drive with an (fresher) install of Antergos went without any issue at all.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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I'm not sure we have the same experience on Mac. Everything I ever plugged in there works, from Arduino to Androids to USB sound cards, DVBT/SDR tuners, webcams, or USB ethernet adapters, even my little USB scanner. I migght have had problems with Wifi, but it was usually the same in linux with the ndiswrapper dance. I even plugged a Social Security card reader (Frenchman here) in there and it was detected correctly…

Oddly, the number one "I can't believe this doesn't just work category" is printers. It is frustrating that I can just start printing from my ubuntu machine, but have to figure out how to get the right drivers for my other machines. As a standard caveat, I don't actually use that many devices on my network. So, YMMV. A lot.

Anecdotal support: after Vista broke printing for half of the world's terrible cheap inkjets, I spent nearly a decade using terrible cheap inkjets I picked up for next to nothing on craigslist. They almost universally had Linux drivers, and when the ink ran out I would get another one.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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How about *nix desktop? I miss the days where a TWM was "enough". I started with TWM on Xterms and DECstations, moving up to CTWM on DEC alphas. I finally switched away from CTWM around the year 2000, due to it not supporting some kind of modern nonsense that web browsers wanted. Thankfully, KDE let me configure most of the keybindings in my .twmrc file & retain my muscle memory. Gnome rejected a patch that I sent th…

Which desktop technology though - at one point (~1990) I had a login menu that prompted me to select Sunview, X or NeWS. TWM was the first X window manager I used, I remember spending ages getting it just so - just in time for a newer fancier one to come out (probably olwm in OpenWindows) - liked mwm for a few years as well. Must be something that I grew out of as I don't spend that much time personalizing computing…

The Sun NewS stuff was some kind of postscript based rendering system that ran in parallel to X with an X server sharing the screen -- kind of like how X works on MacOSX today). I stayed away from it because I used mostly X windows terminals & DECstations. There was very little Sun hardware I could sit in front of in my formative years as an undergrad in the late 80s / early 90s.

I kept the same basic customizations for years, mostly around focus-follows-mouse and what mouse buttons + key combos moved, resize, iconify windows. My problem was that the key things my muscle memory depended on were fairly hard to configure in most things, and by that time, it was too late to change my muscle memory.

Eg, I have this hard-coded in my brain:

Button1=m :w|f : f.function "move-raise"

Button2=m :w|f : f.resize

Button3=m :w|f : f.iconify

(this means alt with mouse button 1 = raise window to front, and move it, alt+mouse2 = resize, alt+mouse3 = iconify)

So changing to anything else that didn't easily allow this customization was painful. I used a Mac for almost a year, and lived in the X environment so much that I went back to a *nix desktop. I kept doing crazy thing when I moved my mouse to another window, and the focus did not follow the mouse. So I'd start typing code in an Xemacs window, and i'd be deleting or forwarding mail. Argh.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Flagging as off-topic per "Political Detox Week": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 This "story" does not satisfy "substantive" and qualifies as "ideological." > What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments. What it is not: a[n]... ideological... battlefield. Don't get me wrong: I do appreciate Linux on the desktop. But we're not allowed to t…

This is the second post I've seen just this morning trying to shut down a post due to it being "political" when it clearly isn't. I'm sad to say that I saw this coming, and it was a big part of why I didn't like the "experiment".

Aside: I only really noticed this post because it was initially at the top of the page due to being new. I probably would have otherwise ignored it.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Linux as a desktop has come a long way. Most things Just Work now. I actually enjoy the experience a great deal more than either Windows or Mac at this point, and I'm no Masochist. Windows, Mac... plug a device in, install the driver through some lame wizard. Linux... plug the device in, it Just Works. Windows, Mac... software is out of date, go through dozens different wizards and CLI tools to update all your stuff.…

> Linux as a desktop has come a long way. Most things Just Work now. I said that in 2006. But now (about a decade of using Linux on the desktop down) I don't believe it was true then, nor will it ever be.

What are the things you consider broken?

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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I bought a $250 chromebook and a new SSD just to run Ubuntu as my daily driver and it's been great! Of course I've written scripts to reload network-manager on wake, add the keyboard backlight driver back into the kernel after updates, and I can't let the battery dip below 2% or everything will be erased...

I bought a Dell Chromebook 13 with an i5 processor and I upgraded the SSD. In the end, I might have been better off getting a Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition, but I am somewhat smitten with this pretty amazing little machine. I am worried about flashing the BIOS and bricking it, but that seems to be the only way, apart from constantly charging it, to avoid loss of data.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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> Linux as a desktop has come a long way. Most things Just Work now. I said that in 2006. But now (about a decade of using Linux on the desktop down) I don't believe it was true then, nor will it ever be.

What are the things you consider broken?

The last thing that happened before I gave up (around 2010) was purchasing a laptop with entirely open source drivers (ie, low end hardware I wouldn't have otherwise purchased), and compositing still didn't work on an external monitor.

You'll probably say that's fixed now. I'm sure it is. I'm also sure it's been replaced by something else - I recall someone on HN saying one of Dell Linux laptops (ie, which are actually sold with Ubuntu) still has driver issues.

I switched to OS X for few years and now use a Surface Book mainly for shell reasons.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Which desktop technology though - at one point (~1990) I had a login menu that prompted me to select Sunview, X or NeWS. TWM was the first X window manager I used, I remember spending ages getting it just so - just in time for a newer fancier one to come out (probably olwm in OpenWindows) - liked mwm for a few years as well. Must be something that I grew out of as I don't spend that much time personalizing computing…

The Sun NewS stuff was some kind of postscript based rendering system that ran in parallel to X with an X server sharing the screen -- kind of like how X works on MacOSX today). I stayed away from it because I used mostly X windows terminals & DECstations. There was very little Sun hardware I could sit in front of in my formative years as an undergrad in the late 80s / early 90s. I kept the same basic customizations…

Sorry - wasn't meaning to imply that you had those options merely that some of us were daft enough to work with multiple graphical environments at the same time.

NB Subsequently OpenWindows came along and actually (AFAIR) supported client applications from all three platforms at the same time.

Re: An Ode to Linux Desktop Users Everywhere

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Oddly, the number one "I can't believe this doesn't just work category" is printers. It is frustrating that I can just start printing from my ubuntu machine, but have to figure out how to get the right drivers for my other machines. As a standard caveat, I don't actually use that many devices on my network. So, YMMV. A lot.

To contrast, IME, CUPS is a pain. Absolutely awful. Printing Just Works everywhere except Linux. And I'm using an EPSON printer, too.

Funnily, macOS uses CUPS internally, iirc.
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