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Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

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Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

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It's almost ridiculous how much. If such a minute change like this generates such a negative reaction from someone, how is that person going to handle real, serious change? Especially when this minute change was such an arbitrary thing to begin with. Change is good. Temporary uncomfort is good. Adaptability is a trait to nurture, not protect yourself from.

Change is good. Temporary uncomfort is good. This isn't like moving to a new city to broaden your horizons. I didn't find changing the side the buttons were on expanded my consciousness and brought about a refreshing personal transformation. No, the button change simply annoyed me because it was pointless, and ruined years of muscle memory (till I turned it off). Change for the sake of change can be good in some area…

>> "This isn't like moving to a new city to broaden your horizons. I didn't find changing the side the buttons were on expanded my consciousness and brought about a refreshing personal transformation."

Not everything is a revelation, or a revolution. Small details matter. Hence the fact that we're even talking about this one.

>. "but for the simple day to day stuff, if it isn't broken, don't fix it unless you're actually making it better."

I would argue that it is better. Now everything is grouped together on the left. Since we're speaking to each other in English, I can say that "we" read from left to right.

Left makes sense. The buttons are positioned the same location from the top-left of the screen whether I'm on my 1024x600 netbook or my 1920x1200 laptop. They're no longer at the farthest possible point away from where my eyes typically linger.

You can say that's a small thing, you can say it doesn't matter to you. But to simply say it's "change for the sake of change" is to woefully undersell the idea of good design. (Of course, in this case, it's mostly aping the design established by Apple, but better to perpetuate good designs than bad ones)

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

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Honestly, it took about ten seconds to learn it was on the other side. Is it really that much trouble for people to adapt? It's been less than a day and I don't even notice it's on the other side any more. Yes, there's the argument that people should (and can) put it wherever they like, but seriously, within ten or so instances it's relearned.

It's only troublesome if you use Chrome (like me) as the buttons of chrome stay on the right side. I am happily switching it back to the right side because i really don't see the point to put it left. No benefit but the disadvantage to learn to become accustomed to it, so whats the point?

edit: I've used the new version since beta2 and it was no big deal for me to click on the left side. Still i changed it to the right side yesterday.

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

#23
post #20

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Pointless change for the sake of change is what causes me to react negatively.

Except it was neither pointless nor simply for the sake of change.

Really? I don't understand the point except perhaps that Ubuntu now wants to look more like Mac OS X than Windows.

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

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post #11
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost ridiculous how much. If such a minute change like this generates such a negative reaction from someone, how is that person going to handle real, serious change? Especially when this minute change was such an arbitrary thing to begin with. Change is good. Temporary uncomfort is good. Adaptability is a trait to nurture, not protect yourself from.

If change were always a good thing, and temporary uncomfort good - do you mind if I borrow that office chair of yours and replace it with a different one? If you're still bored, there's this French-layout keyboard I could give you. And - no, don't use it with UK/US layout, that would be boring. Unwarranted change - one that you push onto others without asking, and without really having a good reason - is usually a ba…

Your keyboard example is poor. The point is to not be so ridiculously oversensitive to change as to freak out over very minor ones. Your example is on a whole other order of magnitude of chaos, and as such is not a valid comparison.

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

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post #22

Honestly, it took about ten seconds to learn it was on the other side. Is it really that much trouble for people to adapt? It's been less than a day and I don't even notice it's on the other side any more. Yes, there's the argument that people should (and can) put it wherever they like, but seriously, within ten or so instances it's relearned.

It's only troublesome if you use Chrome (like me) as the buttons of chrome stay on the right side. I am happily switching it back to the right side because i really don't see the point to put it left. No benefit but the disadvantage to learn to become accustomed to it, so whats the point? edit: I've used the new version since beta2 and it was no big deal for me to click on the left side. Still i changed it to the rig…

I would recommend switch Chromium to use System titlebars. Along with the Ambiance Chrome theme, you get a really nice appearance: http://imgur.com/ccAKI.png

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

#26
Right side: gconftool-2 --set “/apps/metacity/general/button_layout” --type string “:minimize,maximize,close”

Left side: gconftool-2 --set “/apps/metacity/general/button_layout” --type string “maximize,minimize,close:”

Far faster than using the gconf-editor GUI, IMO.

Re: Ubuntu 10.4: How to place the window close button on the right again

#27
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only troublesome if you use Chrome (like me) as the buttons of chrome stay on the right side. I am happily switching it back to the right side because i really don't see the point to put it left. No benefit but the disadvantage to learn to become accustomed to it, so whats the point? edit: I've used the new version since beta2 and it was no big deal for me to click on the left side. Still i changed it to the rig…

I would recommend switch Chromium to use System titlebars. Along with the Ambiance Chrome theme, you get a really nice appearance: http://imgur.com/ccAKI.png

No, i couldn't do that.

One of the best features of Chrome is the tabs-in-the-titlebar thing, i couldn't give that up :)

Thanks for the hint anyway

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