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Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

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When "politics" is treated as "things that affect other people that we opine about", this decision makes sense. But this decision is the epitome of privilege. To enter a space thinking "I'm not going to think about politics" is to be someone whose sheer existence in that space isn't a political statement in and of itself. And for many, such a space is "The United States", "The Tech Community", "HN", or whatnot. Sayin…

This is a pretty well-constructed argument, despite the unnecessary invective at the end. It took me a while to figure out how to rebut it. (Therefore I upvoted you to counter expected downvotes.)

But I think it goes like this: there's a difference between not caring about something for a week and not talking about it. If, as you assume, for most of HN politics is "things that affect other people", then the primary objective of political discussions on HN should be to convince those people - not, say, to make the minority which is affected feel validated. My impression is that when people who are affected by something go and read a ton of Very Strong Opinions put forward by people who aren't, the result is usually more invalidating than validating; validation is important but is a purpose better served by more focused communities. Now, when it comes to convincing people, a constant barrage of discussions on the same topic is probably more unhelpful than helpful; at worst, pausing discussions for a week (which gives them time to reflect) is unlikely to be very harmful.

Notwithstanding that, some people may perceive the idea of taking a break as invalidating, because it reminds them of a generalization about the community (not affected) which does not apply to them. However, so far as it's an accurate generalization, this seems like it can't be helped. I suppose you could argue that it seems more accurate than it really is, since marginalized people are present but silenced…

Anyway, I think "things that affect other people" is an oversimplification to start with. A lot of the specific political topics people like to discuss on this site, like encryption/surveillance, have fairly little direct impact on pretty much any of us; others, like the economy, affect all of us to some extent, albeit some more than others.

Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

#322
post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually haven't seen very many political stories on here. I've personally avoided most of the political crap too, so maybe I just didn't click on a lot of it (and therefore selectively un-memoryed it). I don't feel this need to be an explicit policy. I mean it gets into the entire "what is politics debate." Hackernews is about hacking (software, hardware, life), and I still see tons of that on here -- well that an…

The problem I see is that everything is politics, because politics is the air we breathe as a society. It's asking the question of how we live in community. I think what dang is after getting of is tribalism, where people show group membership with displays of insults, meme-dropping, etc. Different things, but if any group can separate tribalism from politics, through thoughtful community-making, I'd say HN can.

This is getting closer to the answer.

Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

#325
> politics is war by other means

The actual quote is "war is the continuation of politics by other means". So according to that Prussian general from two centuries ago, when the politics stop, war begins.

> political emotions

It's actually political thought - an intellectual endeavour that is not only honourable and rewarding, but it is a sign of maturity. Getting involved in the administration of the society you live in is what separates adults from children.

> these harsher patterns can spread through the rest of the culture, threatening the community as a whole

What culture would that be? The one which censored a suicidal Ian Murdock because he had the audacity to type "nigger" in a tweet? The one which turned its collective back to a man in need, only to pat itself on the back afterwards because there was nothing that could be done?

> What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments.

AKA: politics that you agree with. There's no escaping politics because there's no escaping conflict. You're imposing your side of the "gratifying" story through censorship and you rejoice in the civility of your echo chamber. May all your critics be hellbanned and all your opinions unchallenged!

Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

#326
Not sure what to think about this in the context of HN. I've seen other such stances in other communities where it just ends up being a way to enforce/preserve a political bias. Where some stories get a pass for special reasons "oh, this is noteworthy, and from a credible source!", it's just laughable. I hope this doesn't happen here.

Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

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post #255

I live in Northwest Washington, D.C. I am a technologist, a government contractor, and an HN member for many years under various accounts since 2008. I respectfully disagree. Yesterday someone motivated by the "Pizzagate" story, spread and enabled by the social media systems we designed , fired multiple shots from a semi-automatic weapon into a crowded restaurant near my home. My partner and I passed the crime scene…

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Re: Tell HN: Political Detox Week – No politics on HN for one week

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post #190
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> head in the sand There are a ton of other sites where you can follow and debate politics all you want. I'm starting to stick my nose into local politics here in Bend, Oregon, but there's no reason I need to talk about it on HN. I'm ok with compartmentalizing things: HN for tech/startups/'interesting things', and other sites for other things. I love bike racing, too, and feel that it's the best sport in the world, b…

>There are a ton of other sites where you can follow and debate politics all you want. But where do you draw the line of what is 'politics' and what is 'cool nerdy tech stuff'? Is a breakdown of 538's method of poll aggregation too politically charged, even if there's a perfectly good overlap of math and statistics? If Trump makes an out-of-left-field statement about repatriating corporate money, are we prohibited fr…

I think dang and the other moderators are capable of making pretty good judgement calls.

It's often pretty obvious from the ensuing conversation what kind of post it is: are people discussing the politics, or the technical thing that's kind of related?

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