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Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by gaius » Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 5:00 PM UTC

X-Istence wrote: post #116

jheriko wrote: post #82

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I disagree... Apple's argument is really poor and arguing against it would be difficult for this reason, any thorough response would probably look defamatory. Its a lot easier to just treat it with the contempt it deserves. For example, it contains intrinsically weak arguments. e.g. the section headed "Fifth, there's Touch" is equally applicable to HTML5 and infact most of the rest of the internet technologies. If yo…

I was talking to one of my professors that teaches Flash/ActionScript at the University I just graduated from yesterday, and the main issue at hand is that Adobe in Flash still does not have a good way to handle touch events, nor is there any way to use ActionScript to add any touch events. Flash is dropping the ball in that regard.

Teaches Flash at university!? Where do you go, DeVry?

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by aero142 » Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 6:22 PM UTC

biafra wrote: post #100

CrazedGeek wrote: post #43

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Can you send a little of that smooth-and-nice my way? You say there's no lock-in outside of the iPhone, but what do you call Flash? Yes, the spec is technically open, but there still haven't been any players that work as "well" as Adobe's. Which, by the way, is many people's problem, as Flash Player has been nothing but a pain to me. The Linux and OS X versions are horrible and Adobe's done very little to fix them. A…

I really do not care about Flash. What I care about is the freedom to use any programming language that I like or see fit for the problem at hand. Section 3.3.1 is not only banning Flash although that would be wrong too. It bans _every_ other language than the three C's and "JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine". The argument is not that Flash is open or the holy grail. It is that Apple forbids the u…

Agreed, this whole flash things is a distraction from the real effect, which is vendor lockin.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by windsurfer » Sat, May 01, 2010, 5:45 AM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #103

windsurfer wrote: post #36

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Just FYI: my N900 has flash and it works great. Hardware accelerated and everything.

He said mobile flash. Nokia hacked the desktop Flash 9 into Maemo because they were so desperate to get something on their device. I can't find the link right now but an Adobe blogger basically distanced himself from it recently, saying it was Nokia's baby (which makes sense as they're the only one running it) as it wasn't 'real' mobile Flash.

I'm very impressed that they managed to get such a licensing deal.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by Terretta » Sat, May 01, 2010, 5:56 PM UTC

mahmud wrote: post #37

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> just a CTO with better things to do in his day than write press releases Like, make Flash work on a smartphone.

With Apple off their TODO list unceremoniously, you can bet Adobe's #1 priority now is Flash on every mobile platform. Flash works on my blackberry just fine, btw.

> Flash works on my blackberry just fine, btw.

Tell Adobe they could move their release date up then, since Adobe only promises to have Flash on your Blackberry later this year:

http://www.blackberrycool.com/2010/02/03/adobe-on-the-verge-...

http://crackberry.com/adobe-flash-now-arriving-blackberry-se...

PS. Presume you meant Flash Lite, which is not the Flash discussed in the "Flash on iPhone" debate.

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by X-Istence » Mon, May 03, 2010, 9:15 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #121

X-Istence wrote: post #116

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I was talking to one of my professors that teaches Flash/ActionScript at the University I just graduated from yesterday, and the main issue at hand is that Adobe in Flash still does not have a good way to handle touch events, nor is there any way to use ActionScript to add any touch events. Flash is dropping the ball in that regard.

Teaches Flash at university!? Where do you go, DeVry?

http://www.uat.edu/

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by asmosoinio » Tue, May 04, 2010, 11:16 AM UTC

blub wrote: post #89

asmosoinio wrote: post #78

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Yes and no: Flash Lite has existed there in the firmware for ages, but nobody is using it. It also cannot be utilized from the browser. Going all philosophical: If a software has zero users, does it still exist? EDIT: My view may be dated. I haven't checked what Nokia is offering through the ovi-system these days, could be that Flash Lite is actually somewhat widely used nowadays. Also: Flash Lite has existed also in…

I've just used Flash on my Nokia smart phone to view a flash-only website. Works out of the box.

Really, cool! What phone, what site? Gotta try it myself, I am supposed to know this stuff. :)

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by blub » Sun, May 09, 2010, 12:17 PM UTC

asmosoinio wrote: post #126

blub wrote: post #89

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I've just used Flash on my Nokia smart phone to view a flash-only website. Works out of the box.

Really, cool! What phone, what site? Gotta try it myself, I am supposed to know this stuff. :)

It's a Nokia E72. The website was http://www.gerlinea.fr/. :)

Re: Adobe Responds to Jobs

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Post by asmosoinio » Tue, May 11, 2010, 8:38 AM UTC

blub wrote: post #127

asmosoinio wrote: post #126

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Really, cool! What phone, what site? Gotta try it myself, I am supposed to know this stuff. :)

It's a Nokia E72. The website was http://www.gerlinea.fr/ . :)

Thanks! I stand corrected. On my 6110 Navigator (S60 3rd ed feature pack 1) I get the "broken image icon", and clicking on it the phone tries to open it with it's FlashLite player and gives "Flash 8 not supported error".

But as you said, works fine on E72, which is S60 3rd ed feature pack 2. I'm impressed!