I have a huge problem with this article. I don't think anything it says cannot be applied to people using Internet without Facebook or Google.
Internet is the filter bubble. Facebook is just its latest upgrade.
Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
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Isn't it up to the viewer not the publisher to decide what is trustworthy? That's difficult if the publisher (Facebook) only shows them untrustworthy material, and the viewer is not aware that this is the case.
If people in China can figure out that the state is lying to them, I'm pretty sure we can figure it out that random sites on the internet aren't trustworthy. The alt-media links extensively to MSM to point out their lies and inconsistency, I'm sure someone has realized that CNN, and MSNBC, and NYT are a thing. Even if you're not right wing, you'd probably at some point heard of Noam Chomsky who goes on similar rants…
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't it up to the viewer not the publisher to decide what is trustworthy? Perhaps when major media get so many real stories about democracy wrong and the alt media get them right it's time to stop trusting the people getting things wrong and start trusting the people getting things right. Fuck, even the NYT had to recommit itself to journalism their reporting this year was so bad. 'As we reflect on the momentous res…
> 'In any normal election year, we’d compare the two presidential candidates side by side on the issues.' You're lifting one sentence out of context. The rest of the paragraph reads [1]: "In any normal election year, we’d compare the two presidential candidates side by side on the issues. But this is not a normal election year. A comparison like that would be an empty exercise in a race where one candidate — our choi…
If they weren't publishing bullshit why are they rededicating themselves to journalism?
Shouldn't they instead be saying, 'We got everything right, we reported all the facts, like the polls sampling Dems and women @ 60%, and Hillary lost surprising absolutely no one with a rudimentary understanding that the population of the US is 50/50 male / female'
The context always was that this wasn't a normal election year and for some reason what they'd normally do wasn't an option (because the enemy is Hitler.) The reason why they got everything wrong is because they think that people care about things like 'well, so and so didn't exactly say this or that' rather than figure out what the overall gist of the message is. Alt-media is believed because it resonates with the overall feeling people get from the news, which is why the times had to do a mea culpa on the election because they lied so much that after Clinton lost even their base knew that they were just making shit up with no regard to reality which is why Trump won because proper defenses couldn't be put in place because the NYT was blatantly lying to everyone about Trump's chances in hopes that people would just believe Hillary was going to win and stay home.
Re: Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
If people in China can figure out that the state is lying to them, I'm pretty sure we can figure it out that random sites on the internet aren't trustworthy. The alt-media links extensively to MSM to point out their lies and inconsistency, I'm sure someone has realized that CNN, and MSNBC, and NYT are a thing. Even if you're not right wing, you'd probably at some point heard of Noam Chomsky who goes on similar rants…
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> Facebook simply kills democracy for their own benefit. Give me a break. It's not Facebook's job to tell the truth from the lies. They provide a social network, for profit. They are not a charity or a non profit. They sell ads. If "news filtering" aligns with their bottom-line they'll do it, if it doesn't, they won't, that's business. Now to anybody who thinks he can control the internet and what people read/think/d…
> They sell ads. If "news filtering" aligns with their bottom-line they'll do it, if it doesn't, they won't, that's business. Yep, that's what is said when saying "Facebook [...] kills democracy for their own benefit". They provide a discourse perceived as the public discourse for a profit. Some people are considering that this exercise is a threat to democracy, and even though you seem to imply that you are more ver…
> So, people can perfectly continue to blame Facebook for these problem
It's just scapegoating. It's useless and a waste of time. The time you spend blaming Facebook is the time you don't spend actually fixing what should be fixed : creating an healthy environment for debate.
Blaming this or that website is easy and it doesn't solve anything. Quitting the extremist views, quitting calling people morons,trolls,douchebags when they disagree with this or that political line and actually engaging them strictly on ideas instead of dismissing their concerns as -ism or -phobia is the only way you're going to make people listen to what you have to say.
If you filter people's news, they'll just go somewhere else that give them what they want. And then you'll wake up again not understanding the result of the last elections because you lived in your own, filtered echochamber.
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#56> We are not in the business of picking which issues the world should read about. We are in the business of connecting people and ideas — and matching people with the stories they find most meaningful. Our integrity depends on being inclusive of all perspectives and view points, and using ranking to connect people with the stories and sources they find the most meaningful and engaging. Simply incredible. They are ass…
> They are asserting themselves only as a business and not emotional influencers...The emotional influences that facebook brings in people is very powerful. The same could be said of TV networks, Spotify, Twitter, Google photos. We are the catalyst that turn stories, music, photos into emotional reactions. We control the dials. Facebook makes it incredibly easy to step outside our bubbles. Click the Like button on a…
I've been off of facebook for years now, but I doubt nowadays most people see the "like" buttons as an instrument for teaching the website algorithms to help keep themselves open minded. (Assuming this stratategy indeed works, since it's known this isn't the only variable they consider)
And I don't think this isn't the purpose of feed 'customization' either. It's about making money by assuring advertisers that their ads will be paid some attention to. In order to do that, they need to try and keep people's eyeballs glued to the screen as much as possible.
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Well, what's dangerous is that those sites operate in country where getting a gun is so damn easy
Did you know in France they allow people to rent trucks? A lot of people don't share your irrational fear of guns.
What's the primary function of a truck?
Re: Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
#58> We are not in the business of picking which issues the world should read about. We are in the business of connecting people and ideas — and matching people with the stories they find most meaningful. Our integrity depends on being inclusive of all perspectives and view points, and using ranking to connect people with the stories and sources they find the most meaningful and engaging. Simply incredible. They are ass…
> They are asserting themselves only as a business and not emotional influencers...The emotional influences that facebook brings in people is very powerful. The same could be said of TV networks, Spotify, Twitter, Google photos. We are the catalyst that turn stories, music, photos into emotional reactions. We control the dials. Facebook makes it incredibly easy to step outside our bubbles. Click the Like button on a…
Like Uncle Ben once said: "with great power comes great responsibility."
Re: Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
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> And they obviously are. Don't you think they are bit late in the US? :D >The issues of free speech and privacy and business and how they inter-relate are not solved issues, and things that we've grappled with as societies for at least a couple hundred years But this time its much more hurting than before because we know more now and shouldnt let bad things happen because of a company's business decisions.
Obviously this is something you care about. I suggest you take some time, do some research, and spend some serious time thinking of concrete steps Facebook could take, and more importantly what you can do to help make the changes you want to see. At the end of the day, it's people that make changes. Expecting others to make those changes for you is likely to lead to more frustration for you. Be well, and good luck!
In my opinion, you have it backwards. It's not about what anyone can do with/about the platform. The center of the issue is that facebook/google et al are selling convenience to the public who assumes the platforms are to some extent trustable.
Re: Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And they obviously are. Don't you think they are bit late in the US? :D >The issues of free speech and privacy and business and how they inter-relate are not solved issues, and things that we've grappled with as societies for at least a couple hundred years But this time its much more hurting than before because we know more now and shouldnt let bad things happen because of a company's business decisions.
Obviously this is something you care about. I suggest you take some time, do some research, and spend some serious time thinking of concrete steps Facebook could take, and more importantly what you can do to help make the changes you want to see. At the end of the day, it's people that make changes. Expecting others to make those changes for you is likely to lead to more frustration for you. Be well, and good luck!
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