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Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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(Edit: I'm detaching this from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13101402 and marking it off-topic. That example wasn't a clear enough one to make the point about, because the commenter wasn't being snarky or doing anything particularly wrong. Maybe next time it comes up more clearly I'll try again.) I know it's nitpicky, but please don't use quotation marks when you're not actually quoting someone, and especially…

If this fairly nonstandard usage rule is significant enough to reply to someone to correct them on it, shouldn't it be listed in the guidelines? The parent's usage is very common, so it seems a bit harsh for a mod to call them out on it, even if fairly politely, when they are not clearly in violation of anything they have been told.

HN is a "common law" community. Not everything is written down in a single place; the rules evolve as they're refined and reinterpreted by the mods.

I wonder what the best example of a "civil law" community on the Internet would be --- a message board where everything you weren't supposed to do was spelled out completely.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you have that kind of money you have 10 babysitters, nannies, assistants, cooks, cleaners, drivers etc. And you can get a day off almost whenever you want too.

Kids don't want babysitters, nannies, daycares,money, toys, rewards. They just want time with their parents. The more time you can spend with your child, the better. Hard to do in this day and age.

Yeah, but rich people can (have the option, not that they necessarily do it) have both ( babysitters, nannies, daycares, money, toys, rewards AND time with their children).

For many poor working people time with their children is a luxury -- but they can't even give them all the other stuff, sometimes not even decent food and shelter, much less an education.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #55

(Edit: I'm detaching this from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13101402 and marking it off-topic. That example wasn't a clear enough one to make the point about, because the commenter wasn't being snarky or doing anything particularly wrong. Maybe next time it comes up more clearly I'll try again.) I know it's nitpicky, but please don't use quotation marks when you're not actually quoting someone, and especially…

Interesting, I didn't know that was a standard! Thank you.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #5

> Let’s say you have an adolescent daughter and she says to you, “Mom, you are such a bitch. What have you ever done for me? You only think of yourself.” > The teen may be at the dinner table and just being quiet and not saying negative things. Well, when you're starting out, one of the positive-opposites can sometimes be reinforcing the non-occurrence of the behavior. And you just say, “Marion, it's nice having dinn…

> Let’s say you have an adolescent daughter and she says to you, “Mom, you are such a bitch. What have you ever done for me? You only think of yourself.” Maybe it's because I grew up as a kid in another culture (Eastern Europe) and some time ago (I'm 36 now) but do kids nowadays really call their parents "bitch"? My parents almost never laid their hands on me (the couple of times they actually did I had deserved it)…

I'm the US, and under 30. That shit would not remotely fly. Didn't even grow up in a conservative area.

I remember growing up, I had an acquaintance who was kind of outwardly rude to his parents - never swore at them though - and that was incredibly uncomfortable. I only experienced that once.

When I imagine the made-up teenager in the posted article, it's some spoiled, estranged kid in Beverly Hills with an absent father and an anxious, over-young mother paying for a 24/7 nanny.

Which is to say, a completely alien experience. I do feel that some other cultures may be too deferential towards their parents' wishes, meaning I probably fall on the Beverly Hills side of the spectrum, as far as people from those cultures are concerned. Still. That's beyond belief. I would have been abused for that.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you have that kind of money you have 10 babysitters, nannies, assistants, cooks, cleaners, drivers etc. And you can get a day off almost whenever you want too.

yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent! You can't have it both ways. I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all.

>yeah right. I'm sure musk thinks, hmmm today instead of working all day on a fun project I think I'll parent!

Many rich people do that all the time. If he doesn't think his kids is a "fun project" too, then that's his choice, not something born out of necessity.

>You can't have it both ways.

You can, if you have "fuck you money", which Musk has 10000 times over.

It's the poor people who work 2 shifts and barely have the money to provide for their family that can't have both time and money at the same time.

>I'm sure musk sacrificed father/kid relationships for work success in a major way. It's not possible to have it all.

First of all, nobody mandates that you SHOULD have it all. You can make your own balance and opt to sacrifice maximum work success. Musk is not a slave. If he is a "slave to work success" that's his personal choice.

There are rich people that have excellent in-person, relationships with their kids, and can shun work and meetings for their personal time, whether with kids, spouse, other interests, etc. Gates, for one, stepped down as CEO at 45 and went part-time with MS stuff at 50.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #153
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... quote marks are grammatically correct. They're the only way to mention words and phrases you're not actually using them. Yes, the things we write are subject to misinterpretation, particularly when stripped of the their context. But asking people to avoid correct use of punctuation isn't going to make that less likely. Quite the opposite, in fact.

It looks like what I posted might not have been clear. I mean: please don't use quotation marks to make it look like you're quoting someone when you're not really quoting them. In particular, please don't do that thing where people sarcastically put words in someone's mouth and then add quotation marks around those words to amplify the rhetorical effect. Uses of quotation marks for quoting someone, or for doing somet…

This is how fictional dialogue is commonly written in English lit. I do not see what the original poster could be doing wrong by following commonly accepted grammar. Perhaps this is just hitting a pet peeve of yours.

Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #153
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... quote marks are grammatically correct. They're the only way to mention words and phrases you're not actually using them. Yes, the things we write are subject to misinterpretation, particularly when stripped of the their context. But asking people to avoid correct use of punctuation isn't going to make that less likely. Quite the opposite, in fact.

It looks like what I posted might not have been clear. I mean: please don't use quotation marks to make it look like you're quoting someone when you're not really quoting them. In particular, please don't do that thing where people sarcastically put words in someone's mouth and then add quotation marks around those words to amplify the rhetorical effect. Uses of quotation marks for quoting someone, or for doing somet…

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Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

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post #153
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... quote marks are grammatically correct. They're the only way to mention words and phrases you're not actually using them. Yes, the things we write are subject to misinterpretation, particularly when stripped of the their context. But asking people to avoid correct use of punctuation isn't going to make that less likely. Quite the opposite, in fact.

It looks like what I posted might not have been clear. I mean: please don't use quotation marks to make it look like you're quoting someone when you're not really quoting them. In particular, please don't do that thing where people sarcastically put words in someone's mouth and then add quotation marks around those words to amplify the rhetorical effect. Uses of quotation marks for quoting someone, or for doing somet…

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Re: No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

#170
post #55

(Edit: I'm detaching this from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13101402 and marking it off-topic. That example wasn't a clear enough one to make the point about, because the commenter wasn't being snarky or doing anything particularly wrong. Maybe next time it comes up more clearly I'll try again.) I know it's nitpicky, but please don't use quotation marks when you're not actually quoting someone, and especially…

Interesting, I didn't know that was a standard! Thank you.

That is because it is not. If anything the opposite is actually standard.
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