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Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by neekburm »

dbg31415 wrote: post #57
DiabloD3 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has been reported, yet the government has still not backed down in attacking its own citizens over legal and morally correct actions. The news should continue to be reported until it is no longer news, especially given the large scale anti-American technological effort being mounted by our own government to protect the interests of Big Oil.

Morally correct? That's a pretty questionable statement. The protesters tried to cause a privately owned herd of buffalo to stampede into the construction site... This resulted in a number of buffalo and a horse being killed. The protesters are causing damage to construction equipment owned by individual owner-operators. Small businesses. This isn't right. This isn't standing up to the government, or civil disobedien…

What do you call a wumao in the U.S.? A fifty-center? Let's just call him a wumao.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by csdrane »

ynniv wrote: post #55
ihm wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. The phones connect to a honeypot network and send over their credentials. The person who controls the honeypot now has their gmail password and so can use it to login and change their password.

Gmail credentials are supposed to be delivered over an encrypted connection. Controlling the network should be insufficient to see passwords in transit. That said, passwords are a poor form of authentication that is prone to interception by poorly configured clients, HTTP downgrade attacks, and typosquatting login forms. I wouldn't jump straight to "0day".

If you're using a browser without certificate pinning wouldn't a MITM attack suffice? E.g. sslstrip

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by karambahh »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #3

Invalid SSL cert on the site. > There were even reports of people's Gmail accounts being hacked. This sounds suspiciously false - even if they are phones were forced to downgrade to A5/1 this should have no effect on TLS.

They mention unsecured Wi-Fi? Either way, openly attacking citizens accounts seems... surprising for a government agency confronted to peaceful protesters?

I don't doubt the US (or German, or UK, etc) have the technical capacity to do such things, but would they risk it be discovered for such a "low" target as a natural site?

If true that probably means they have much more powerful tools at their disposal for "true emergencies"...?

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

I'm not really on board with the whole anti pipeline narrative but this kind of action is really inappropriate. The FBI can't catch two Russian kids with a pressure cooker before they become a problem but they can spend god knows what screwing around with protesters. If it was just doing "back-end" stuff to help out the state police who should be running the show then I'd be less not ok with it. If it was the typical dragnet eavesdropping bs applied to everyone they see come or go then I'd chalk it up to business as usual but I'm going to call foul on using cell site simulators anything but sparingly. The FCC should be very pissed off about the FBI for this. The Telecom companies should be very pissed off at the FBI anialiating their QoS.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #38
breatheoften wrote: post #24

If some or all of this is real -- someone in the command chain above these resources needs to reshape their thinking and fast! Talk about a quick way to radicalize individuals against the society in which they are embedded: - Visitors from all over the country come to a welcoming self-supporting nature camp with friendly people behaving peacefully and protesting the destruction of nature for profit - Apply violence t…

I've been following the DAPL protests for a couple of weeks now. The actions of the police have already begun to backfire massively. For example, around 2000 veterans are due to be arriving at Standing Rock over the next couple of days in support of the water protectors. Whilst these veterans have said they won't be bringing weapons, I suspect their presence will increase the mainstream media attention on the protest…

It's sad that the only thing way to appeal to mass media is to be of a sympathetic social status.

All they need now are (white) single moms and some cute puppies.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

karambahh wrote: post #63
forgotpwtomain wrote: post #3

Invalid SSL cert on the site. > There were even reports of people's Gmail accounts being hacked. This sounds suspiciously false - even if they are phones were forced to downgrade to A5/1 this should have no effect on TLS.

They mention unsecured Wi-Fi? Either way, openly attacking citizens accounts seems... surprising for a government agency confronted to peaceful protesters? I don't doubt the US (or German, or UK, etc) have the technical capacity to do such things, but would they risk it be discovered for such a "low" target as a natural site? If true that probably means they have much more powerful tools at their disposal for "true e…

However bad you think the government's actions are double your expectations and it's still worse than that.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by dbg31415 »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #59
dbg31415 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Morally correct? That's a pretty questionable statement. The protesters tried to cause a privately owned herd of buffalo to stampede into the construction site... This resulted in a number of buffalo and a horse being killed. The protesters are causing damage to construction equipment owned by individual owner-operators. Small businesses. This isn't right. This isn't standing up to the government, or civil disobedien…

The Oil industry has no future, and anyone who continues to invest in it or further the goals of that industry isn't a very good investor and is prioritizing short term profits over long term investments. One of the largest drains on the US economy is the fossil fuels industry. There is no future for them. We, as a society, need to admit this, and move on. How do we appologize to future generations, "Sorry, we raped…

Do the math. It's going to take time to switch off of petroleum. Even if Teslas were free, it'd take decades to replace all the existing cars with Teslas. You want us to do nothing in the interim?

We're in the process of moving on, but we can't stop everything while it's happening.

The fact that you think people in North Dakota should be driving Teslas... it's pretty shitty uneducated thing to say. Compassion, right? Understand what people need to do, what they want to do, and suggest alternatives. You aren't even trying, just spewing, "Oil is bad!" sound-bites. This isn't Reddit...

Please note that there isn't a single Tesla supercharging station in the entire state of North Dakota. 0. So... I guess you want those people to just... move? Die off? What exactly is your plan here for the people who live in North Dakota? Give up oil tomorrow, give up jobs that provide for their families, and... what exactly do they do next? It's a process, it'll take time.

https://www.tesla.com/findus#/bounds/49.38,-66.94,25.82,-124...

You're clearly clueless and haven't ever been to North Dakota. Understand that most roads aren't paved, many people live in rural areas, when it rains... we're talking massive washouts and mud you can't drive a car through. Mud that a 4-wheel drive pickup gets stuck in.

And you're there saying those people, and everyone, should just instantly overnight drive a Tesla. Smart.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by ZenoArrow »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #65
ZenoArrow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been following the DAPL protests for a couple of weeks now. The actions of the police have already begun to backfire massively. For example, around 2000 veterans are due to be arriving at Standing Rock over the next couple of days in support of the water protectors. Whilst these veterans have said they won't be bringing weapons, I suspect their presence will increase the mainstream media attention on the protest…

It's sad that the only thing way to appeal to mass media is to be of a sympathetic social status. All they need now are (white) single moms and some cute puppies.

I agree it's sad that the MSM has largely ignored the protests so far, but sympathetic social status is not the only way to get attention.

The thing that really gets the MSM interested in a big story like this is when it fits into a narrative that doesn't undermine their corporate funders. For example, if the protesters had turned violent they'd be all over this like white on rice, as it let's them paint the protestors in a less favourable light. They're only reluctant to get involved because they'll find it hard to spin the story the way they want to.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by paulddraper »

Teichopsia wrote: post #40

There are a few comments questioning the journalistic abilities of the article and despite that they did mention that someone else with more resources ought to take over, they could have done a bit more. A few days ago I came across a youtube video regarding this protest. It showed Peaceful protestors getting shot by rubber bullets, attacked by dogs and I don't remember what else against a heavy militarized police fo…

> should never happen, anywhere, no matter the reason

Okay. But to make it concrete, what alternative are you proposing?

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by airza »

csdrane wrote: post #62
ynniv wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gmail credentials are supposed to be delivered over an encrypted connection. Controlling the network should be insufficient to see passwords in transit. That said, passwords are a poor form of authentication that is prone to interception by poorly configured clients, HTTP downgrade attacks, and typosquatting login forms. I wouldn't jump straight to "0day".

If you're using a browser without certificate pinning wouldn't a MITM attack suffice? E.g. sslstrip

gmail uses HSTS so sslstrip is unlikely.
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