Reading this I was immediately reminded of the Del Rio Water scenes from Sleep Dealer [0]. I find the prescience of that film quite remarkable, although I suppose events like these have played through before, just without the technology aspect.
Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock
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#52Invalid SSL cert on the site. > There were even reports of people's Gmail accounts being hacked. This sounds suspiciously false - even if they are phones were forced to downgrade to A5/1 this should have no effect on TLS.
I don't know. Are you assuming that the Android phones at the camp are updated with the latest Android versions and security patches?
There's also a screenshot of an iPhone lock-screen in the Cracked article (running iOS 10 too), but it's dated November 11. It seems odd that it would appear in an article on December 01.
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#53If everything in this story is true (and I see no reason to doubt it), then there is a 0-day being used here in the wild to hack gmail accounts for political purposes. There really need to be some security engineers (ideally Google security engineers) on-site investigating, both to identify and fix the exploits being used, and to establish their use later for legal purposes.
I don't think so. The phones connect to a honeypot network and send over their credentials. The person who controls the honeypot now has their gmail password and so can use it to login and change their password.
I doubt your implication that they've broken the TLS layer just by having a honeypot. It sounds like they are taking advantage of exploits to own the phone itself based on their power on/off ability and may be stealing credentials straight out of memory. Or they are putting up a fake gmail honeypot as well and grabbing the passwords from there, but this seems less likely since most people use apps on their phones. Worst-case they actually do have a Google certificate and have in fact broken Google's TLS.
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#54I've seen this particular article before and despite me being fairly liberal, seems kind of lazy for journalism. It's a bunch of heresay with no conclusion, but clearly wants to draw the reader's opinion. The author admits that they aren't a place with an investigation budget and "someone else" should look into it. This damages the story - which seems likely to be happening to some degree - to the point where it is c…
You're expecting a lot from cracked which until recently was owned by Demand Media. Having worked there, I wouldn't trust a single thing they put out.
Edit: I don't mean to say it's not possible this happened, just you should take their reporting with a grain of salt.
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#55If everything in this story is true (and I see no reason to doubt it), then there is a 0-day being used here in the wild to hack gmail accounts for political purposes. There really need to be some security engineers (ideally Google security engineers) on-site investigating, both to identify and fix the exploits being used, and to establish their use later for legal purposes.
I don't think so. The phones connect to a honeypot network and send over their credentials. The person who controls the honeypot now has their gmail password and so can use it to login and change their password.
Gmail credentials are supposed to be delivered over an encrypted connection. Controlling the network should be insufficient to see passwords in transit. That said, passwords are a poor form of authentication that is prone to interception by poorly configured clients, HTTP downgrade attacks, and typosquatting login forms. I wouldn't jump straight to "0day".
Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock
#56Speaking of radio... one of the water protectors has been flying a small drone with a camera to try to monitor the pipeline progress. He explained that sometimes this was difficult because he would lose control when the drone was within a small-ish (10-20m? maybe?) radius of a specific building or work site. The drone was programmed to auto-return if it lost signal, so the operator was usually able to regain control a few seconds later.
Does anybody know what legal status is for jamming? I believe the FCC usually considers interfering with other transmissions to be some sort of violation, but it's been a very long time since I studied radio law (my amateur radio license expired >20 years ago).
Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's... less good for Hacker News that click-baity article titls are getting more upvotes. This story was reported 3 times in the last 2 days... https://hn.algolia.com/?query=standing%20rock&sort=byDate&pr...
It has been reported, yet the government has still not backed down in attacking its own citizens over legal and morally correct actions. The news should continue to be reported until it is no longer news, especially given the large scale anti-American technological effort being mounted by our own government to protect the interests of Big Oil.
Morally correct? That's a pretty questionable statement.
The protesters tried to cause a privately owned herd of buffalo to stampede into the construction site... This resulted in a number of buffalo and a horse being killed.
The protesters are causing damage to construction equipment owned by individual owner-operators. Small businesses. This isn't right. This isn't standing up to the government, or civil disobedience, it's destruction of private property.
And before someone accuses me of not caring about the people there... I grew up about 30 miles away from where the main protest is happening. These are my family members... on both sides.
You going to give up your car and not use any oil? If so, great, you've got a leg to stand on. But we have thousands of miles of pipelines across this country. Pipelines are more efficient than trains or trucks... as long as people still use oil, we still need oil pipelines. What's the alternative?
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Camera apps were opened out of nowhere >Pretty unlikely I thought the same thing, that this is pretty unlikely. But then, most of my personal experience is with iOS, which is pretty well buttoned down. With Android on the other hand, all bets are off. We can't even talk about the security of Android sensibly because there are so many old and unpatched versions out there. So from that perspective, maybe it's not as…
If you are hacked, why would they open an app, instead of doing things in the background?
simplicity and expediency?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It has been reported, yet the government has still not backed down in attacking its own citizens over legal and morally correct actions. The news should continue to be reported until it is no longer news, especially given the large scale anti-American technological effort being mounted by our own government to protect the interests of Big Oil.
Morally correct? That's a pretty questionable statement. The protesters tried to cause a privately owned herd of buffalo to stampede into the construction site... This resulted in a number of buffalo and a horse being killed. The protesters are causing damage to construction equipment owned by individual owner-operators. Small businesses. This isn't right. This isn't standing up to the government, or civil disobedien…
The Oil industry has no future, and anyone who continues to invest in it or further the goals of that industry isn't a very good investor and is prioritizing short term profits over long term investments.
One of the largest drains on the US economy is the fossil fuels industry. There is no future for them. We, as a society, need to admit this, and move on.
How do we appologize to future generations, "Sorry, we raped the land, we killed innocent people, you're dying of cancer, because temporary money was more important instead of using better energy production methods"?
I've never heard of a solar farm having a sunlight pipeline leak, or earthquakes caused by fracking the ground for wind reserves, or people mining renewable energy and the mines collapsing and killing dozens.
People's lives have monetary value: they are assets that are worth something. It is not profitable to sacrifice assets of such high value for such unimportant things.
So, yes, morally and financially correct.
And the alternative? Tesla. Either buy their car, buy a car from someone that licensed their technology, or buy a brand new... ancient relic from the past.
Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock
#60I've seen this particular article before and despite me being fairly liberal, seems kind of lazy for journalism. It's a bunch of heresay with no conclusion, but clearly wants to draw the reader's opinion. The author admits that they aren't a place with an investigation budget and "someone else" should look into it. This damages the story - which seems likely to be happening to some degree - to the point where it is c…
> seems kind of lazy for journalism Note this important comment at the end of the article: ... we've really got to get back to writing about Back To The Future. Some site with an "investigation" budget should probably take it from here. This is Cracked . While their writing is often a lot better than their clickbait headlines suggest, they are still primarily a comedy/culture based site. This story is way outside the…
Yeah, this isn't the Cracked I grew up with. The only journalism of theirs I'm familiar with featured Nanny Dickering (http://cracked.wikia.com/wiki/Nanny_Dickering).