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Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by sowbug »

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #27
sowbug wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article said people were reporting that Gmail accounts have been hacked in an environment where malicious Wifi APs are prevalent. Your post said that report "sounds suspiciously false." My reply contended that it's possible. A device running something other than a recent version of a modern browser is entirely susceptible to connection to Gmail over a non-TLS pipe or TLS to a MITM, especially when that device is…

> Citing that the state of the art in browser technology exists does not change that point. > Do you agree it's possible the claim is true? HSTS preload lists are not new (the Mozilla blog I referenced above is dated 2012). > The article said people were reporting that Gmail accounts have been hacked in an environment where malicious Wifi APs are prevalent. Your post said that report "sounds suspiciously false." If i…

I very much doubt the claims are as narrowly scoped as that. As you say, it's either imprecise journalism or merely repeating the reports of people who are (by definition) terribly confused about what's going on.

By the way, I wouldn't call these people technically illiterate. The way you're using that term sets a bar so high that it includes almost everyone. If many people were at that level of technical literacy, we wouldn't have needed HSTS in the first place.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by arca_vorago »

Relevant part of the Constitution, the first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law [...] abridging [...] the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Full first amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

The real problem is, when all you need to justify a crackdown is to make a peaceable assembly unpeaceful, it's relatively trivial to insert agent provocateurs to instigate violence and fade into the background or through the police lines as they push. Therefore I think there needs to be a massive congressional inquiry into the use of agent provocateurs domestically, and laws passed to prevent that usurpation of our Constitutional rights.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by kazagistar »

natch wrote: post #23
mmastrac wrote: post #16

I've seen this particular article before and despite me being fairly liberal, seems kind of lazy for journalism. It's a bunch of heresay with no conclusion, but clearly wants to draw the reader's opinion. The author admits that they aren't a place with an investigation budget and "someone else" should look into it. This damages the story - which seems likely to be happening to some degree - to the point where it is c…

>> Camera apps were opened out of nowhere >Pretty unlikely I thought the same thing, that this is pretty unlikely. But then, most of my personal experience is with iOS, which is pretty well buttoned down. With Android on the other hand, all bets are off. We can't even talk about the security of Android sensibly because there are so many old and unpatched versions out there. So from that perspective, maybe it's not as…

If you are hacked, why would they open an app, instead of doing things in the background?

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by MertsA »

arca_vorago wrote: post #26
MertsA wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way they would stoop that low. They can just as easily block service with a stingray and avoid causing interference for everything other than the target. There's also the issue that a jammer will also block 911 calls so I don't really see why the FBI or any domestic law enforcement would want a simple jammer instead of using a stingray to selectively block service. There's really only downsides to it when…

"There's no way they would stoop that low." I'm not sure you are familiar with the history of the police state. Just when you think they won't go below a certain bar, then do. Why do you think, when performing any other manner of illegal and unconstitutional things, they wouldn't add one more to the list, especially when there seems to be no repercussions? I'm also reminded of occupy wall street, in which is was foun…

"Why do you think, when performing any other manner of illegal and unconstitutional things, they wouldn't add one more to the list, especially when there seems to be no repercussions?"

Because there's just no incentive for them to use a jammer as opposed to a cell site simulator. With all of the news of government corruption I absolutely wouldn't assume that the government isn't doing something nefarious, but with corruption, it has to be driven by some incentive, there isn't really one here.

"So, I think you are being naive in putting the abuse of zero-day cell exploits past them"

I'm not saying that they wouldn't do this, just that they wouldn't ever bother with jamming specifically other than maybe for a bomb scare.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by protomyth »

First, someone should look at the coverage map of the area. Verizon and AT&T are iffy, and Sprint and T-Mobile are non-existent.

Second, the article starts with "The demonstration at Standing Rock, North Dakota is the largest gathering of indigenous people in modern American history." which is taken from the source material's statement "The largest gathering of indigenous nations in modern American history".

The article cannot even get its first fact correct, and frankly I would dispute NBC's statement as well. I guess we haven't heard of Pow Wows and government meetings.

I also notice that both articles seem to gloss over the indigenous versus non-indigenous ratio. Not good for the narrative I guess.

Also, to be truthful there was a fairly sustained attack on all North Dakota networks when that damned actor from the avengers said the state should be hacked. I guess he forgets that all the tribal schools are on the ND network. Maybe some of the protesters were caught in that?

[okay fine, cracked is factually untrue, but I get down voted for being here - wtf?]

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by ZenoArrow »

breatheoften wrote: post #24

If some or all of this is real -- someone in the command chain above these resources needs to reshape their thinking and fast! Talk about a quick way to radicalize individuals against the society in which they are embedded: - Visitors from all over the country come to a welcoming self-supporting nature camp with friendly people behaving peacefully and protesting the destruction of nature for profit - Apply violence t…

I've been following the DAPL protests for a couple of weeks now. The actions of the police have already begun to backfire massively. For example, around 2000 veterans are due to be arriving at Standing Rock over the next couple of days in support of the water protectors. Whilst these veterans have said they won't be bringing weapons, I suspect their presence will increase the mainstream media attention on the protests.

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by sitkack »

MertsA wrote: post #35
arca_vorago wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There's no way they would stoop that low." I'm not sure you are familiar with the history of the police state. Just when you think they won't go below a certain bar, then do. Why do you think, when performing any other manner of illegal and unconstitutional things, they wouldn't add one more to the list, especially when there seems to be no repercussions? I'm also reminded of occupy wall street, in which is was foun…

"Why do you think, when performing any other manner of illegal and unconstitutional things, they wouldn't add one more to the list, especially when there seems to be no repercussions?" Because there's just no incentive for them to use a jammer as opposed to a cell site simulator. With all of the news of government corruption I absolutely wouldn't assume that the government isn't doing something nefarious, but with co…

What is your take on BART turning off cell service in the tunnels?

https://www.aclu.org/blog/shutting-down-cell-service-during-...

Re: Signs of a Creepy Government Conspiracy at Standing Rock

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Post by Teichopsia »

There are a few comments questioning the journalistic abilities of the article and despite that they did mention that someone else with more resources ought to take over, they could have done a bit more. A few days ago I came across a youtube video regarding this protest. It showed Peaceful protestors getting shot by rubber bullets, attacked by dogs and I don't remember what else against a heavy militarized police force. Wanting to know a bit more, I was surprised how good their website looked. And also, under special cases like this one, instead of criticizing certain pain points, support in any way should be given. Whether it be fact checking, increase awareness, whatever. What I saw on that video should never happen, anywhere, no matter the reason, and much less over the protection of WATER.
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