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The Solution for Open Office Frustration

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Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#41
post #7

I've got an amazing idea. Go away from open plan offices. I'm really baffled that that wasn't one of the solutions in the article. Red and Green coloured cubes? Lights? Ugly attempts to mask the symptoms, rather than fix the real problem: Open plan offices suck for productivity.

That's what I was thinking, especially reading this line: > With the vast majority of us now working in open concept offices — some studies have said that 70% of US workers work in this kind of environment — companies are being forced to come up with novel ways to ensure we stay productive and don’t find ourselves driven delirious from the noise and chaos. They are being forced . Who chose the open office concept in…

> Who chose the open office concept in the first place!?

I always figured zoning laws usually discourage heavy development, so companies are heavily incentivized to use open-plan offices to save on rent.

Here's a listing for 3 offices for 900 sq. feet for $63.33/year, or $55,197/year. Each office might be something like 10% of your fully loaded cost, so a company with at 10 employees is spending an entire employee on rent. https://42floors.com/us/ca/san-francisco/235-montgomery-st?l... .

You could cram them into a box and they would whine, but it might be worth it if you can get an entire extra employee out of it.

Though, there are 3 8-hour shifts in a single 24-hour day, so I'm surprised they don't stagger scheduled times for employees so they can share the same space. I myself usually like starting work at 4 or 5 AM, since there are fewer people around. There's probably way too much social inertia for that in general, compared to spending a few thousand $ on some cubicle walls.

If you can afford more than 10 employees, you're probably quite profitable and the margin on well-run software companies is pretty high, so maybe they don't care about rent at that point.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#42

I don't care about people coming up to talk to me. It usually means they have something they need help with or an answer to. What bothers me is the noise, and no noise cancellation set of headsets work because they block out white noise but not people talking . In fact, noise cancellation headphones tend to enhance voices, since there is no background noise to dull it. Lights don't solve this. Hats don't solve this.…

Yes, it's the noise. I am happy to be interrupted by someone to discuss something relevant. But I don't like the noise of other people's discussions. I also don't want to wear headphones the whole day. Having a window to look outside is also very nice. It seems that execs know this and make sure their meeting rooms and offices have windows.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#43
Has anyone worked in a place that used transparent office partitions to kill the noise while keeping some light around?

Like these: https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/transparent-office-partitio...

Or has anyone been able to actually choose such things because they had enough power in their organisation?

They would still enable lots of people to be packed in but noise could be cut substantially.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#44
post #18

Is there anyone reading this who has been involved/got the inside scoop in implementation of an open office plan. Was the change in productivity an issue? Did it happen? Was cost savings the only driving force?

Working in Arch firms, I have had conversations with business owners about ambient noise and I've never met one who cared - once the conversation moves to estimates.

Yes, cost is the major driving force, Lead time/schedule isn't really an issue... outside of coordinating power, lan, HVAC, and server racks. The ADA, IBC, NFPA, and life-safety codes require slightly larger spaces than you might expect in an office setting (e.g. 36" doors and 60" wide hallways typ.) When you compare how many people 'fit' into the open space vs walls, you might be a bit underwhelmed as an owner.

Basically, doors are only for those who need closed-door conversations or security.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#46
post #39

Why not simply implement the policy: Only say a word while in the open office if it is an emergency that is a matter of life and death (say fire). Whoever violates this policy must put a significant amount of money into the kitty for each violation (say, 50 €/$ per violation - it really should not be cheap). This should reduce the noise problem by a lot.

When the first offender will be asked to put the money down, he will laugh it off, everyone will look at each other, crack some jokes, and the kitty will just become a paperweight.

If you could actually coordinate well enough in the office to enforce such a rule, you wouldn't need the kitty - a gentlemen's agreement would be enough.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#47
post #4

There's no solution here. Red lights, seriously?

Such a bad solution. The guy is complaining about a loud sales team, his team making phone calls and talking and a goddamn gong. The red light solves none of those problems. Sound travels regardless of whether or not you have a red light on or not. Headphones only go so far too. I don't WANT to listen to music or have my ears covered all day!

Agree on not wanting to listen to music all day. I listen to music for pleasure and not work, I can't listen to my music as I find myself drifting into the music and not work. The only think I've found that works for a reasonable period is an app called white noise that I play a storm with thunder rolling through it.

Re: The Solution for Open Office Frustration

#49

Some workers take to building their own symbolic barriers for privacy At Google. somebody went as far as to build a little hut around his cube using cardboard boxes that he'd glued together. I wish I had a picture..

Every other day at work I joke I will build myself one out of pizza boxes. Honestly, I'd have done that long ago, if I wasn't worried about management disapproving.
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