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The Busy Person’s Lies

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The article seems to assume that context switching takes no time. If that were true I have a lot of free time.. it's just never contiguous.

Funny thing I noticed: when you start a family and have kids, you are forced to get better and better at the _skill_ of context switching quickly. You learn how to be productive with twelve 15-minute slots divided by interruptions instead of a contiguous 3 hours. Being able to do this is a skill like any other. I no longer buy the whole "in/out of the zone" thing as if it is some fundamental law of nature.

> Funny thing I noticed: when you start a family and have kids, you are forced to get better and better at the _skill_ of context switching quickly.

While basically true it's been 6 years since we had our first kid (we're have two now) and I'm still not very good at context switching.

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The author is clearly well into the upper-middle class financially, talking about nannies and "solo beach days" on both coasts. Wow, how out of touch is the typical New York Times writer these days. Poor and working class people have truly busy lives compared to professionals. We should all remember that.

I think it depends a lot on the specifics. Of course, there are certainly lots of Americans who are both poorer than the author and work harder. But in the US, the very poorest people tend to be those who don't work at all, or only work part-time. People who live their whole life in a small town with one or two big employers, which move away when the economy crashes; people whose skills go out-of-date, and can't affo…

That view that it it's "terribly depressing to be broke" and all the despair the poor in America feel because they can create no value could only be thought up by us smug hacker news software creators. I know first hand that much of the poor are content to live off the government, never had any aspirations and ultimately don't need much to survive and be content enough. They don't know what they don't know and therefore they don't suffer from the despair of not being the next Steve jobs. That was never on their list. They are truly ignorant enough to be content with video games. I'm not talking everyone but this probably is the majority. Things work and all you need is to be able to hold a minimum wage job for a few years at a time and when you get fired you can take a few years off while another friend or family member is on deck, meanwhile you're contributing food stamps the whole time, 6 months of an unemployment check, money from a few scams here and there, electricity bill deductions and many other such benefits you can get if you are below the poverty line. These are all meaningful contributions you can contribute well past the 6 months of paid unemployment. You have to understand you also have old people in the household collecting social security at $1k per month. There are not only other people not working, but other non-workers coming up with money and resources. It becomes just as normal for a working-age male to not be working as grandma. After all we aren't talking 1 person or couple cramped into an over priced San Francisco apartment. In short, the family doesn't need as much money and everyone bands together, and can go for a very long time bringing in very little money. And though totally in the hands of the "public" health care system whose bills they will never pay if they get into an accident, they are more than content with tv and stolen movies/shows via apps like "ShowBox" until that happens, and even after. They have near zero ounce of fight in them for anything more, certainly not to be the prolific CEO or CTO of a tech company. That's far out of their field of vision. I am one that believes to not aspire to something is not healthy. So for now ignoring the other psychological issues surrounding the more privileged all feeling disproportionate pressure to be somebody, I'll just say the opposite extreme we are discussing now is worse and it's out of ignorance. An ignorance most here can't understand or have forgotten. A true "ignorance is bliss" syndrome. To us it may look like that as a result they are content to live in squalor. The truth is the squalor of those living standards have risen. It all just feels normal to them. What I call "poverty trap sweet spots" certainly do exist in America.

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I did an analysis on my own time once, ignoring the breakdown of my work day and just focusing on overall time available: 1130-0000 - prepare for bed, relax 0000-0600 - sleep (roughly) 0600-0700 - stuff (shower, shave, personal email) 0700-1630 - work + lunch + commutes So I had 7 hours each day I was "leaving on the table". Most of it was spent on TV or video games, possibly socializing. I felt exhausted from work s…

0000-0600 - sleep (roughly) I must admit I am always a bit jealous of people like you who can function on 6 hours sleep every day. After 3 days of that I am wreck.

You should start measuring the quality of your sleep using apps like Sleep Cycle. I used to be exactly the same way. Then I realized that the reason I was sleeping for 9-10 hours was because my sleep was "shallow" and kept getting interrupted. It all changed drastically after I optimized my sleeping environment: totally dark, 68 degrees year around, appropriate mattress type for my sleeping position, etc.

Now I can get by comfortably with 6-7 hours of sleep.

Apps can also wake you up at the right time, as opposed to during deep sleep. That makes it easier to wake up as well.

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post #9

The author is clearly well into the upper-middle class financially, talking about nannies and "solo beach days" on both coasts. Wow, how out of touch is the typical New York Times writer these days. Poor and working class people have truly busy lives compared to professionals. We should all remember that.

As a parent of four kids myself, this seems ridiculously low: "I spent a mere 9.09 hours weekly on housework and errands" How is that possible? Housecleaner? Personal shopper? Nanny? We spend 6-8 hours each week shopping around trying to save money on just groceries, and that's not including clothes or haircuts etc.

I wonder if your hours may be a bit off -- are you logging them like the article author? 6-8 hours a week on just groceries is an hour a day, that seems quite high. Personally we just spend an hour at the grocery store to purchase everything for a week in advance, and maybe anotehr hour to pick up things we forgot later in the week.

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post #9

The author is clearly well into the upper-middle class financially, talking about nannies and "solo beach days" on both coasts. Wow, how out of touch is the typical New York Times writer these days. Poor and working class people have truly busy lives compared to professionals. We should all remember that.

I think it depends a lot on the specifics. Of course, there are certainly lots of Americans who are both poorer than the author and work harder. But in the US, the very poorest people tend to be those who don't work at all, or only work part-time. People who live their whole life in a small town with one or two big employers, which move away when the economy crashes; people whose skills go out-of-date, and can't affo…

"to not know if you can do anything other people see as valuable"

1. I have never met a rich person that could offer me anything other than a loan. Someting they don't like to do.

(I live in Marin County. The place your founder will end up if successful. These people can't change a tire. They are as useful as the proverbial wart on a toad. They have one ability most poor don't have; they are masters at taking money from the poor/middle class and getting in their bank account. They are also masters at hiding their lack ethics/morality--for the most part. Some are born rich. Some have high barriers to entry--like a medical degree, in a dubious speciality. The drug dealing Psychiatrist come to mind? My neighbors would be the first to perish in a catastrophe. I honestly wonder what skills they offer society. They always fall back on we provide the jobs. Jobs that usually don't have a future, and turn the poor into working poor. Many work for for profit housing, for profit education, and for profit medical system.(All services that I feel shouldn't have a profit motive.) They are Titans in the financial world. So few provide livable jobs. Many destroy jobs, for their own enrichment, But the majority? I can't figure out what in the hell they do. I know their wives, and kids are misserable.

2. I have never met a poor person who couldn't fix my car, repair my house, repair my website, etc. I don't think I have ever met a poor person that didn't have more skills than my neighbors. They just don't know how to capitalize on them. Or, will never be given the opportunity to capitalize on any of their skills, or good ideas. They will always be at the mercy of the people with money. Usually a a seed fund consisting of a few thousand dollars on a credit card at 29%.

Some days, it enrages me. I do know this, I haven't found one who I could stomach being friends with. It's not out of envy either; I just don't like the hypocrisy, and really question their ethics, and morality.

I often picture Chea Guevara riding that motorcyle, looking at the disparity of wealth; and feel his rage.

My rage has been brewing for years.

I don't have a point, other than the wealthy, at least my neighbors, don't possess viable skills. 99% would be living pay check to pay check, or homeless, if not for that understanding wealthy father, who usually really helped out that aimless kid who just returned from Europe and still couldn't figure out what they wanted to do. And all the second chances that most of us only get one--if we are lucky.

Ask yourself this; how many bad ideas from the wealthy are we forced to listen to? They have the platform, but their ideas always leave out a few pertinent variables; like it will take a lot of seed capital to do, along with a free house, a free workspace, free legal advice, and Insurance. Their ideas always seem lofty. An idea only a wealthy dreamer could begin to pontificate about?

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From the article: "I think that time tracking deserves a try. A life is lived in hours. What we do with our lives will be a function of how we spend those hours, and we get only so many." It's high-status to be busy. Time tracking, while useful for some, is more likely to be a way for people to play the status game.

I agree on the status point - talking about how 'busy' you are is basically bragging about your status.

I suspect the working poor or people who actually have less control over their time are more likely to say they're exhausted/tired/overwhelmed than 'busy'.

Busy to me is someone just advertising they're important.

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Are there any suggestions for time tracking apps? Start-stop timers don't seem to fit me very well: I fall off the wagon real quick. I also tried reporterapp (www.reporter-app.com) but that didn't last long either. Any advice?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I agree that Walmart employees are the working poor. I don't understand how you can recognise that and also argue for the validity of this statement >There is a big difference between poor and working poor. The poor get handouts, the working poor get fines because they can't afford Obamacare. Then people wonder why the poor don't struggle their way to working poor.

I suspect you guys agree. I don't think he is saying there is a big difference in that they are both poor. The difference is that the poor are are being rewarded (transfer payments) while the working poor are being punished (they have to work, but still get fined, and pay taxes).

Poor, working poor, lower middle class, they're all crude definitions for people who are struggling. Arguing over who is more or less struggling or deserving is to play the oldest rich person's game of fight-for-scraps.
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