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Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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Instead of five, don't you mean "two to three"? And under that comparison, isn't it scary how much it does sound that way? Like a kid who hears words together but don't know what they mean yet? (and doesn't really get the cultural things around it.) To me it sounds like a quite musical 2-3 year old stringing words together. Doesn't it strike anyone else that way? These things are going to grow up very, very soon! We…

> the entire source code for the human brain has to be strictly less than 700 MB, because the fully sequenced human genome which obviously encodes the full human mind is less than 700 MB uncompressed Actually those 700MB are compressed, in a way so sophisticated that we don't really know how to uncompress it yet - or whether it's even possible without the external resources our planet provides. And keep in mind that…

What I mean by uncompressed is that you're reading the cytosine (C), guanine (G), adenine (A), or thymine (T) as being two bits per base pair (1 of 4 possibilities). There are 3 billion base pairs, which is 6 billion bits, divided by 8 to get bytes you get 750 MB.

The human genome is somewhat redundant and can be further compressed. That is just the string of "ones and zeros" (ACGT) could be run through whatever compression algorithm you wanted.

But don't take my word for it:

>"When the 4 bases are packed into one byte ( .2bit format) the size is 770M (hg18.2bit) , but you'll need an extra tool to decypher the data." [1]

2.

You raise an important point:

>And keep in mind that those 700MB only describe how to prepare the basic concept of the brain, whose memory is then packed with information we get from the culture.

Yes, absolutely. I simply called it an upper bound on how complex a brain's architecture could be. DNA obviously encodes the brain's architecture, since humans all have human brains. Beyond that, there is a very large variation in people's mental capabilities and brains, and the largest variation of all comes from culture.

But culture could be given to a virtualized brain (called training).

Bear in mind that when human brains receive culture, it takes them years of all-day training before they're even able to speak. So full 1x human brains take a long time to train.

When you see results out of neural nets that are similar to what very young toddlers can do, you should be awed. We have the computational power in server farms to do what full brains do -- if not now, then soon.

This isn't some sci-fi pipe dream. Go ahead and look at the facts.

[1] https://www.biostars.org/p/5514/

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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Is it just me or it really sounds like a randomly generated chord progression that barely makes any musical sense?

"Musical sense" is a pretty subjective thing, which I suspect is one of the primary issues with artificial creativity. That said, assuming training data comes from music with progressions that could be broadly classified as 'popular music,' you would expect to find some regression to the mean with more production and deeper training data. (to abuse a phrase) One other issue that I think will come up is how insular an…

The statistical approach is painfully naive and doesn't work - as is obvious from the example.

It's like feeding a net with the complete works of Shakespeare and expecting it to produce a genius-level original play. It's simply not going to happen.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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This is definitely now my favorite Christmas song. While obviously not a masterpiece, it's incredible how far this tech has come. It's almost got a Dadaist feel to it. Can't wait to see where this ends up in ten years! I can foresee music labels buying a few of these AI's, getting some pretty people with decent voices and sending them on tour.

Is pop music not cheap and disposable enough for you already?

Pop is still recognisably human. This sounds like logic gates roasting by an open fire.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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Auto-synthesis of music has been a topic of academic interest since the 1950s, when the first mainframe scribbled out code on paper tape to be translated into sheet music and performed. UToronto's work here is the latest expression of this desire.

The huge gap between our cultures' actual music and these synthetic projects can to an extent be described through "receptivity" or the phenomenology of music, in other words, how it's experienced. The following fun, short talk does a great job of introducing the concept of through its analysis of "vaporwave."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdVEez20X_s

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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> These things are going to grow up very, very soon! We know that. It's scary. I'll believe it when I see it. Your post has just a bit too much futurologist science fantasy wishful thinking in it.

You sound like some of the kids I teach. All 17 - 18 year old kids have phones and check them at least every 5 minutes. I mentioned that it'll be weird when they are wearing some sort of augmented reality glasses and teachers won't be able to tell if students are concentrating or reading reddit. The kids all said "That'll never happen." as if technology is stuck where we are today. They were astounded when I told the…

It's one thing to say "VR will be commonplace in 10 years" or "Self driving cars will be commonplace in 10 years". That, I can believe because we already have prototypes and I've messed with them and could imagine advancing them.

It is quite another thing to claim that human adult level strong AI is coming "very very soon" and could happen overnight.

The latter is just science fiction wishful thinking. I have no reason to believe we will ever have truly thinking, sentient computers, let alone "very very soon." Sure, our Siris and Alexas and whatnot will get better and better at responding to our queries how we want, but that's way different from an adult level human intelligence AI. Machine Learning has limits and will not yield conscious machines anytime soon, if ever.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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post #24

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> the entire source code for the human brain has to be strictly less than 700 MB, because the fully sequenced human genome which obviously encodes the full human mind is less than 700 MB uncompressed Actually those 700MB are compressed, in a way so sophisticated that we don't really know how to uncompress it yet - or whether it's even possible without the external resources our planet provides. And keep in mind that…

What I mean by uncompressed is that you're reading the cytosine (C), guanine (G), adenine (A), or thymine (T) as being two bits per base pair (1 of 4 possibilities). There are 3 billion base pairs, which is 6 billion bits, divided by 8 to get bytes you get 750 MB. The human genome is somewhat redundant and can be further compressed. That is just the string of "ones and zeros" (ACGT) could be run through whatever comp…

I think that your "700MB uncompressed" fails to take into account that the construction, development, and maturation of the brain relies heavily on cellular and molecular mechanisms. I think it is a little disingenuous to hide the enormous wealth of information necessary to create a brain, much less understand and utilize one, inside of your compiler.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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Auto-synthesis of music has been a topic of academic interest since the 1950s, when the first mainframe scribbled out code on paper tape to be translated into sheet music and performed. UToronto's work here is the latest expression of this desire. The huge gap between our cultures' actual music and these synthetic projects can to an extent be described through "receptivity" or the phenomenology of music, in other wor…

That video is fantastic I watched it a week or so ago.

Your explanation also explains why computer performed music is so off. It still has that uncanny valley effect. So when Sony had a computer generate a "Beatles-esque pop song", they still had a human perform and produce it. But at the point there's so much creativity and human-added value on top of it that I don't think its fair to call it computer generated imho.

Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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Auto-synthesis of music has been a topic of academic interest since the 1950s, when the first mainframe scribbled out code on paper tape to be translated into sheet music and performed. UToronto's work here is the latest expression of this desire. The huge gap between our cultures' actual music and these synthetic projects can to an extent be described through "receptivity" or the phenomenology of music, in other wor…

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Re: Artificial Intelligence Generates Christmas Song from Holiday Image

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> These things are going to grow up very, very soon! We know that. It's scary. I'll believe it when I see it. Your post has just a bit too much futurologist science fantasy wishful thinking in it.

Of course, I have no way of knowing how soon "very soon" is. However, although my post may have wishful thinking in it, I think if you investigate the reality of the cells that contribute to human thinking, you will come to the conclusion that it is impossible that this or some similar system should not be modelled in computers within the next hundred years. You can look at the processing involved yourself. Just reme…

> This is like heavier-than-air flight.

Yes, this is like heavier-than-air flight. It would be like if we didn't really understand how flight works so we are just imitating birds by gluing feathers to cardboard wings, flapping them, and hoping flight just sort of happens.

In a similar way, we don't really understand how the human brain works, so we are just imitating neurons and hoping sentience will just sort of happen.

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