So how would one go about settling up with the IRS on this?
Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
11–20 of 106 posts
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do we allow WSJ submissions here if they don't want us to read their content? I mean sure, you can go the "click web, then the right Google result" route. But that's like submitting a link to Adobe's most recent Photoshop update and then tell people "you can download Photoshop for free by starting your Bittorent client". WSJ wants to hide behind a paywall. That's fine for them. But HN shouldn't be sending them tr…
Some HN users subscribe to the WSJ, others find the content valuable enough to use the web link. The submitter and those who up-vote the submission also believe the article has value. The paywall is part of the WSJ's business model. HN submissions include the source of the article. If you choose not to support the WSJ or their business practices, you have the choice of not reading their articles.
Even with the web links, that often doesn't work with WSJ any more with how they cookie; so I'm very supportive of non-paywalled links as a preference.
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some HN users subscribe to the WSJ, others find the content valuable enough to use the web link. The submitter and those who up-vote the submission also believe the article has value. The paywall is part of the WSJ's business model. HN submissions include the source of the article. If you choose not to support the WSJ or their business practices, you have the choice of not reading their articles.
I think the (fair) complaint that in situations like this where similar articles are written by a slew of sites, better good could be done sourcing from a site without a paywall; both in accessibility and in supporting non-paywalled news. Even with the web links, that often doesn't work with WSJ any more with how they cookie; so I'm very supportive of non-paywalled links as a preference.
I've heard people describe problems they have with the WSJ web links. I don't deny that they do, but I'm surprised I haven't seen them myself. I'm just running Safari with Ghostery. Never had an issue with WSJ (and I don't have a subscription).
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#14So how would one go about settling up with the IRS on this?
The longer and less useful answer is that it depends heavily on circumstances. Two relevant ones are "What sort of income do you have here?" and "How much are we talking about?"
If we assume the answers are "You have capital gains because you happened to purchase some Bitcoin, they appreciated, and you sold them, but you weren't conceivably operating a business while doing this" and "Enough money to matter but not enough that your failure to get better advice was clearly negligent" then your resolution is going to be fairly simple. Your CPA will calculate how much money you owe, file a 1040-X (amended return) for the years at issue, and say "On routine review of a prior year tax filing we found that we inadvertently understated income. We're amending the return as appropriate, and have remitted additional tax. We request an abatement for penalties for tax underpayment on the grounds that IRS guidance at the time was unclear and we're coming in voluntarily before you asked us to." You'd possibly get the abatement of penalties; you're likely to pay very modestly more than you would have if you had been more diligent about your obligations, because they don't frequently waive interest.
This is the "middle class Americans screw up their taxes all the time; we like to encourage voluntary compliance" answer. If you're talking about mountains of money, on the other hand... expect rather less leniency. Other things that increase your risk: any hint of other-than-tax illegality around the business ("I underpaid on the capital gains I inadvertently generated in my drug smuggling business -- sorry about that, really didn't set up to be a currency speculator, I'm simply an honest drug smuggler") or the Bitcoins being used in a manner which was clearly straight-up tax fraud, like the prosecuted cases where someone's company paid a Bitcoin exchange $X00,000 for "technology services" and expensed it, took the Bitcoin over to Gox, cashed out, and then repatriated the money. (The Bitcoin here are just a red herring; this is a conspiracy to hide $X00,000 in income from the government. They take a dim view of that.)
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#15As at least one person has already struggled with this (subthread now deleted), hopefully the following will help others. To read the article in full, please click the "web" link above, between "past" and "[...] comments". WSJ articles can be read in full, if you click through from Google search results. Note: simply copying the Google link and pasting it here won't work. Presumably Google needs to be the referrer.
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#16As at least one person has already struggled with this (subthread now deleted), hopefully the following will help others. To read the article in full, please click the "web" link above, between "past" and "[...] comments". WSJ articles can be read in full, if you click through from Google search results. Note: simply copying the Google link and pasting it here won't work. Presumably Google needs to be the referrer.
Why do we allow WSJ submissions here if they don't want us to read their content? I mean sure, you can go the "click web, then the right Google result" route. But that's like submitting a link to Adobe's most recent Photoshop update and then tell people "you can download Photoshop for free by starting your Bittorent client". WSJ wants to hide behind a paywall. That's fine for them. But HN shouldn't be sending them tr…
The barrier to entry is literally clicking or tapping twice.
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#17So how would one go about settling up with the IRS on this?
The short and useful answer is talk to an accountant. The longer and less useful answer is that it depends heavily on circumstances. Two relevant ones are "What sort of income do you have here?" and "How much are we talking about?" If we assume the answers are "You have capital gains because you happened to purchase some Bitcoin, they appreciated, and you sold them, but you weren't conceivably operating a business wh…
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#18Quoting in full since its among the most misunderstood yet important distinctions in tax:
http://www.irs.gov/irm/part9/irm_09-001-003.html
9.1.3.3.2.1 (05-15-2008)
26 USC §7201 – Avoidance Distinguished from Evasion
1. Avoidance of taxes is not a criminal offense. Any attempt to reduce, avoid, minimize, or alleviate taxes by legitimate means is permissible. The distinction between avoidance and evasion is fine, yet definite. One who avoids tax does not conceal or misrepresent. He/she shapes events to reduce or eliminate tax liability and, upon the happening of the events, makes a complete disclosure. Evasion, on the other hand, involves deceit, subterfuge, camouflage, concealment, some attempt to color or obscure events or to make things seem other than they are.
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#19A sufficiently small government can be funded without an income tax, as history shows us.
Re: Court Rules IRS Can Seek Information on Bitcoin Customers
#20The solution to this is obvious: eliminate the IRS. And the income tax. And most of the federal government. Spin off the actually useful bits as private non-profit foundations (or possibly even for-profit companies depending on the scenario) and let them earn their own keep based on the value they provide. A sufficiently small government can be funded without an income tax, as history shows us.