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Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by fnovd »

MK999 wrote: post #118
fnovd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem"[1] The rise of neonazism in the US is real. To claim otherwise, to imply that it is an "arrant falsehood," is to be purposefully ignorant. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-LnO2DOGE

There is no rise of neo-nazism in the US. Real neo-nazi groups are run by the feds, if you don't know this already you are purposefully ignorant. The so-called Alt-Right and their memes are just a reaction to decades of liberal browbeating and name-calling (xenophobe... etc).

There is no factual basis for anything you wrote.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by fnovd »

throwanem wrote: post #95
fnovd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One wonders if these people are people at all, or instead soulless golem"[1] The rise of neonazism in the US is real. To claim otherwise, to imply that it is an "arrant falsehood," is to be purposefully ignorant. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq-LnO2DOGE

Who the hell is Richard Spencer? I had never heard of him until a couple weeks ago. No one I know who claims the label "alt-right" had heard of him until a couple of weeks ago. No one anywhere had heard of him until the media dug him out from under his rock and started shooting arrows into the big bull's eye he helpfully painted on his idiot forehead for them. Were I conspiratorially minded, I'd imagine he might be a…

You clearly did not watch the video. I don't care what your cohort of "alt-right" kids are up to or what outmoded lessons you vainly try to impress upon them. There are real, living, breathing, human beings who now feel empowered to throw out the Nazi salute, single out Jews and Muslims, and claim that America was created by and for white europeans. This isn't some false-flag rabble-rousing propaganda. This is a danger to the foundation of our society. Ignore it at your (and my) peril.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by sctb »

JurgenJugglar wrote: post #34

>these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deserve to be derided based on physical appearance because of their expressed political opinions. Comedic body shapes paired with comedic political views and philosophies. What's wrong with it? They tried cheap virtue signaling and lost the bet. Boo hoo my sympathies. To deride the visual and linguistic imagination of cognitive entities as "hate speech…

We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13068068.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by wallace_f »

sanswork wrote: post #116
wallace_f wrote: post #115

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Umm, you're very clearly and plainly talking about censoring speech, and many people in the topic thread are talking about free speech. And you are responding by insulting people? Like I said I can see you argued this same argument with people in the other thread and then quickly conceded it.

I haven't conceded anything. I have maintained the whole time that it isn't a free speech issue because it is a private platform. I've also not responded by insulting people. I honestly have no clue which discussion you're reading but it's not one I'm participating in by your description of it.

Posts of you insulting people and their ideas:

> The idea that the other side has a valid opinion just because they won is stupid. A lot of believes don't deserve any respect at all.

> You don't have to give every idiot a platform to believe in free speech.

> There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant. > The stuff people are taking about blocking and removing from their services is far from the best arguments or adversaries. It is the trash.

Conceding your argument in the other thread:

> Reddit stopped claiming to be about free speech years ago.

Let's take a step back. What you responded to was this:

> I think that Reddit will be throwing away one of its most essential contributions to the internet if it resorts to servicing just one side of this deba

That is about reddit being about free speech.

You said:

> There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant.

I said:

> Historically speaking, moral righteousness has always been the primary argument for curtailing free speech.

And you said:

> No one is talking about curtailing free speech they are talking about a private platform not wanting to promote that speech anymore.

You are trying to redefine the words "Free speech" to have a specific meaning that is taken out of context (the context was plainly a discussion about reddit allowing both sides of the debate, not about government retaliation--your argument against that was today's foremost argument against free speech: that the world already has too much hate speech), and I do not find that argument constructive because (a) free speech being defined as speech without censorship is a perfectly correct definition (it is not necessary for their to be a direct or indirect government actor as you seem to believe--this is why I said it was ignorant), and (b) this is not a direct rebuttal but instead what it does is redirect the debate to be about what exactly free speech is which I do not find that useful in contributing to the conversation thread.

This same general idea proceeded in another thread then you conceded in the other thread that the issue was reddit "stopped being about free speech," so there, you use that language with the same definition yourself, substantiating point (a).

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by MK999 »

fnovd wrote: post #121
MK999 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no rise of neo-nazism in the US. Real neo-nazi groups are run by the feds, if you don't know this already you are purposefully ignorant. The so-called Alt-Right and their memes are just a reaction to decades of liberal browbeating and name-calling (xenophobe... etc).

There is no factual basis for anything you wrote.

Yes everything you say is 'fact' and 'science'. Try a bit harder.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by sctb »

MK999 wrote: post #125
fnovd wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no factual basis for anything you wrote.

Yes everything you say is 'fact' and 'science'. Try a bit harder.

We don't call other users “purposefully ignorant” or patronize them like this on HN. Please comment civilly and substantively or not at all.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by internaut »

fnovd wrote: post #120
internaut wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spencer was being deliberately provocative. He knows the media will only play a handful of sound bites to spin their tales, so he gave it to them on a platter to achieve maximum coverage. And it worked. He is now the Great Satan, which apparently means lots of long interviews with major television and radio stations. For clarity, that quote is referring to journalists and the media. Not Jews, as some have been heavil…

>For clarity, that quote is referring to journalists and the media. Not Jews, as some have been heavily implying. This absolutely false. The word "zombie" is what people go to when they think of a mindless being. The word "golem" is what a nazi would say as a dogwhistle to let people know he's down with hating (((Jews))). We Jews said we would never forget, and we haven't.

I am aware of the associations with 'golem' and 'lugenpresse'. And I know the alt-right really hate the media.

You're probably not aware fnovd, then many of the attendees were themselves Jewish, including those of 'Heiling' fame.

http://www.thewrap.com/tila-tequila-jewish-friends-nazi-sieg...

These people are trolling. This is classic trolling. They know this causes people to react and how the media works. For instance The Atlantic in their video on the NPI conference showed apparently 'dozens' of people doing the 'Heil' salute, but if you examine the footage closely you'll notice Richard Spencer is in fact holding up a water glass in one hand and the camera is being positioned multiple times in such a way to make the same three people look like six or nine people. There are classic camera tricks in that video actually to form your opinion (e.g. selective blurring), I'm sure you'll see them too if you go and look.

This is also trolling with a purpose in order to attract the right enemies.

As I said, this is not the high moral ground. Nonetheless they are not Nazis. You'll need more than some Jewish boys and an Asian pornstar for that to have merit.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by internaut »

MK999 wrote: post #97
jballanc wrote: post #29

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I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deser…

Is it illegal to call people fat in this country now? Serious question. At first I was inclined to ridicule your position, but I have to wonder how far the 'hate crime' legislation has progressed.

You're right to ask. There's a trend.

In Ireland we have foolishly installed laws that made criticism of Mohammad or Jesus illegal.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/apr/11/why...

I don't enjoy their humour but I think this would prevent something like Charlie Hebdo from operating in my country.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by fnovd »

internaut wrote: post #127
fnovd wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For clarity, that quote is referring to journalists and the media. Not Jews, as some have been heavily implying. This absolutely false. The word "zombie" is what people go to when they think of a mindless being. The word "golem" is what a nazi would say as a dogwhistle to let people know he's down with hating (((Jews))). We Jews said we would never forget, and we haven't.

I am aware of the associations with 'golem' and 'lugenpresse'. And I know the alt-right really hate the media. You're probably not aware fnovd, then many of the attendees were themselves Jewish, including those of 'Heiling' fame. http://www.thewrap.com/tila-tequila-jewish-friends-nazi-sieg... These people are trolling. This is classic trolling. They know this causes people to react and how the media works . For insta…

The existence of trolls doesn't mean that neonazis can't exist. Your doubletalk isn't fooling anyone. The words and actions in Spencer's talk were beyond explicit. Wake up.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by [deleted] »

tzs wrote: post #92

I got banned from /r/The_Donald today. There was an article complaining about the main stream media for criticizing Trump's saying that flag burners should have their citizenship revoked and be jailed, when Hillary Clinton said exactly the same thing in 2005, and citing the Flag Protection Act of 2005, which Clinton co-sponsored. I'd never heard of that, so took a look at it. It did indeed make flag burning illegal (…

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