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Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by throw2016 »

Its strange to see negativity to genuine support for open source projects. Instead of inventing conspiracy theories to try to explain away and diminish the donations perhaps it might be better to focus on the positive.

And maybe be try to understand why all the billion dollar companies so popular here rely on open source but do not seem to accomplish much beyond token gestures and posturing. Clearly Smartisan shows if there is a will you can do a lot. Maybe there is something to learn here that can lead to a positive change.

I think its beginning to look more and more like HN should stick strictly to VC and new tech stores. There is no social or moral dimension here to process any other information.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by bergers89 »

toyg wrote: post #28
amelius wrote: post #22

I expected Apple here, though I'm not sure what version of BSD they forked for OSX.

Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. AFAIK Apple are are not involved in OpenBSD at any level, nor do they donate to any OSS project; they just mainta…

wrong, look at the firewall code from OS X.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

k_sze wrote: post #37

DuckDuckGo also gave more than any of Microsoft, HP Enterprise, or Yandex.

...Does that in any way surprise you?

DDG has a program dedicated to donating money to open-source projects: they do it every year. MS, HP, and Yandex might also do so, but they don't have to same kind of dedication.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

#54

Post by pc86 »

behnamoh wrote: post #47
AsyncAwait wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do hope this is sarcasm, hard to detect over text.

One thing I've learnt about this world is that no one will do something for you just for the mere joy of doing it. There's always costs/benefits analysis involved.

The "mere joy" of doing something is itself a benefit, so I think you've just proved yourself wrong.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by happy-go-lucky »

behnamoh wrote: post #47
AsyncAwait wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do hope this is sarcasm, hard to detect over text.

One thing I've learnt about this world is that no one will do something for you just for the mere joy of doing it. There's always costs/benefits analysis involved.

It may be that you would have avoided being so cynical if they had not made that donation, but as can be seen, their contribution will keep the project going for a time.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by AsyncAwait »

behnamoh wrote: post #47
AsyncAwait wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really do hope this is sarcasm, hard to detect over text.

One thing I've learnt about this world is that no one will do something for you just for the mere joy of doing it. There's always costs/benefits analysis involved.

The very fact that this reached the front page of HN indicates that it has a PR value - that a value in itself. Or maybe they trully want to help out projects that they most likely depend on daily.

In any case, this is a positive thing so why repeat the propaganda that if it's coming from China/Russia == bad?

Evaluating individual cases is much more productive and in this case, I don't really see an ulterior motive here.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by DashRattlesnake »

toyg wrote: post #28
amelius wrote: post #22

I expected Apple here, though I'm not sure what version of BSD they forked for OSX.

Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. AFAIK Apple are are not involved in OpenBSD at any level, nor do they donate to any OSS project; they just mainta…

> Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different.

That's wrong. Apple pulled in and integrated a lot of code from FreeBSD itself to modernize NeXTStep.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths:

> most userland utilities and the C library on OS X are derived from FreeBSD versions

> The XNU kernel used on OS X includes a few subsystems from (older versions of) FreeBSD, but is mostly an independent implementation.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by toyg »

DashRattlesnake wrote: post #57
toyg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. AFAIK Apple are are not involved in OpenBSD at any level, nor do they donate to any OSS project; they just mainta…

> Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. That's wrong. Apple pulled in and integrated a lot of code from FreeBSD itself to modernize NeXTStep. https://w…

I don't see where what you state contradicts what I said.

Re: Top OpenBSD Donors

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Post by behnamoh »

pc86 wrote: post #54
behnamoh wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I've learnt about this world is that no one will do something for you just for the mere joy of doing it. There's always costs/benefits analysis involved.

The "mere joy" of doing something is itself a benefit, so I think you've just proved yourself wrong.

How can one measure "joy" with money? How can some quality have more value than some quantity (cost)?

I did not prove myself wrong.

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