Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator • Hacker News Board

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by halomru » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 9:14 AM UTC

mmanfrin wrote: post #277

rtpg wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extrapolation aside, making decisions automatically based off of incoming data points _is_ AI. If the interview is to be believed, almost anything you consider "AI-powered" is within one degree of what is happening here. At least on a conceptual level. AI doesn't need to be magic, it just needs to be making decisions :)

I wholly disagree with your post. By your definition, any logic gate could be considered an 'AI'. You're stretching the term to the point that it no longer holds any meaning.

It's not just his definition. Many AI courses will teach you pathfinding algorithms as examples of AI, along with optimisation algorithms, genetic algorithms and neutral nets.

There is a valuable distinction in hard AI vs soft AI (hard AI being that whole thinking, emotional maschines thing that we are not really getting closer to, and soft AI being the things that actually generate money because we know how to do them)

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by hvidgaard » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 9:19 AM UTC

smnplk wrote: post #234

throwaway29464 wrote: post #133

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Yes - I'm doing about 33K per month on a SaaS that is just Rails/Postgres/Heroku - the only javascript is some basic JQuery.

Amateur. I make about 35k/month using only bash via CGI and some plain text files as database.

Pft. I make 42k/month using only butterflies like a real programmer.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by rtpg » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 9:33 AM UTC

colechristensen wrote: post #278

rtpg wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extrapolation aside, making decisions automatically based off of incoming data points _is_ AI. If the interview is to be believed, almost anything you consider "AI-powered" is within one degree of what is happening here. At least on a conceptual level. AI doesn't need to be magic, it just needs to be making decisions :)

I don't know about that, I like my artificial intelligence to make a distinction between "intelligence" and "automation". Without making a solid distinction there, people are going to start calling PID temperature controllers "AI"

I mean.... is it not?

Is it not a replacement for a guy standing in a room and trying to keep the temperature at the right spot?

I understand that there's "current-generation AI" which is miles beyond this. But closed-loop systems that try to make decisions based off of loop seems very much in the domain of intelligence in the practical sense.

I'm being a bit pedantic here, but the GGP in this thread saying that OP is not AI feels like shifting the goalposts way beyond what we would have said even 5 years ago.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by RobAley » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 9:43 AM UTC

halomru wrote: post #291

mmanfrin wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wholly disagree with your post. By your definition, any logic gate could be considered an 'AI'. You're stretching the term to the point that it no longer holds any meaning.

It's not just his definition. Many AI courses will teach you pathfinding algorithms as examples of AI, along with optimisation algorithms, genetic algorithms and neutral nets. There is a valuable distinction in hard AI vs soft AI (hard AI being that whole thinking, emotional maschines thing that we are not really getting closer to, and soft AI being the things that actually generate money because we know how to do th…

I think what he's doing would be more acurately described as Machine Learning, rather than AI. His algorithms are producing better logo proposals based on the data it is collecting from other users, which fits a common definition of ML [1]

[1] A computer program is said to learn from experience E with respect to some class of tasks T and performance measure P, if its performance at tasks in T, as measured by P, improves with experience E (Tom M. Mitchell, 1997)

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by baq » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 9:44 AM UTC

mmanfrin wrote: post #277

rtpg wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extrapolation aside, making decisions automatically based off of incoming data points _is_ AI. If the interview is to be believed, almost anything you consider "AI-powered" is within one degree of what is happening here. At least on a conceptual level. AI doesn't need to be magic, it just needs to be making decisions :)

I wholly disagree with your post. By your definition, any logic gate could be considered an 'AI'. You're stretching the term to the point that it no longer holds any meaning.

anything that doesn't work but theoretically could is AI, when it starts working it stops being called AI. most recent examples are convnets, deep learning, etc. nobody calls them AI anymore.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by halomru » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 10:14 AM UTC

RobAley wrote: post #294

halomru wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just his definition. Many AI courses will teach you pathfinding algorithms as examples of AI, along with optimisation algorithms, genetic algorithms and neutral nets. There is a valuable distinction in hard AI vs soft AI (hard AI being that whole thinking, emotional maschines thing that we are not really getting closer to, and soft AI being the things that actually generate money because we know how to do th…

I think what he's doing would be more acurately described as Machine Learning, rather than AI. His algorithms are producing better logo proposals based on the data it is collecting from other users, which fits a common definition of ML [1] [1] A computer program is said to learn from experience E with respect to some class of tasks T and performance measure P, if its performance at tasks in T, as measured by P, impro…

Machine learning is a better term because it's more specific (and less controversial). But under most definitions of AI, ML is a subfield of AI, so calling it AI may be suboptimal, but not wrong.

Personally I'm a fan of the AI definition "things humans can do and computers can't do yet", but I recognize that that definition isn't terribly useful.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by rekshaw » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 10:18 AM UTC

Guys, don't view source. It's a jQuery hell.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by blunte » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 10:37 AM UTC

I'm happy this guy built something that's generating income, but the results of my attempt to use it just now were really underwhelming. Page after page of COMAPANY NAME on plain cards with different fonts didn't really demonstrate much AI. My takeaway here is that this "story" is not yet a story. Maybe 1-2 years from now, after the product has really developed and evolved, it will be something.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by soneca » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 10:46 AM UTC

I imagine this was upvoted because of Indiehackers credibility, so people just assumed the achievement of $15k/mo was true.

Until mikejarema noticed in another comment that the product was launched 15 days ago and the title was BS, I believed too. Now I flagged the story because it is basically a lie. And IndieHackers lost a lot of its credibility for me by now.

Other people noticed the AI part is most likely BS too. But that is a less black and white lie than claiming that the creator "makes $15k/mo" when he hasn't made $15k total in the whole product lifetime.

Shame on you indiehackers for outright lying (maybe twice) in the title just to get clicks. You gamed HN for this one, but I have the impression that this will hurt you in the future.

Re: Logojoy: AI-powered logo creator

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Post by shaunpud » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 10:46 AM UTC

blunte wrote: post #298

I'm happy this guy built something that's generating income, but the results of my attempt to use it just now were really underwhelming. Page after page of COMAPANY NAME on plain cards with different fonts didn't really demonstrate much AI. My takeaway here is that this "story" is not yet a story. Maybe 1-2 years from now, after the product has really developed and evolved, it will be something.

Yeah, same experience here, there are other sites offering different fonts + 'clipart' to make a rand() logo. Don't see much AI here, still waiting for SkyNet...