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Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by anigbrowl »

a_bonobo wrote: post #23
harryh wrote: post #9

As someone who reads reddit fairly frequently, this doesn't reflect my experience on the site. In reality there is no unified reddit. I've taken a gander at /r/The_Donald a couple of times (mostly out of morbid curiosity) but other than those few times I've experienced very little impact of whatever it is they are doing. I read some sports subredits. I read some culture subredits. I read some of the bigger basic ente…

Looks like it's a bigger problem for moderators than for users: >“There have been unquestionably instances [where] moderators of other subreddits were targeted by users in The_Donald,” Reddit told Gizmodo, and the leaked chatlogs reveal the extent. >Some moderators had been flooded with constant harassing messages. “One threatened to kill my fucking dog,” a moderator pleaded in the leaked Slack chat. A The_Donald use…

Given that Reddit's business model relies on volunteer moderators (which is why I'm not shedding any tears over its problems - that's what you get for building a business on free labor), I'd say it's gonna be a big problem for their shareholders as ad revenue drops and then for the remaining users as it sinks past the threshold of tolerability.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by grzm »

GabberBots wrote: post #100
grzm wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear this argument a lot. From what I've seen, it's clear that ISPs are common carriers. I haven't seen informed legal opinion that this extends to websites. I'd be very interested in learning of some. Do you have any?

If ISPs are not bound to CC laws and refuse to carry traffic from your web server, you don't really have much of a website, do you?

Yes. CC laws apply to ISPs. I haven't seen evidence that they apply to websites.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by [deleted] »

grzm wrote: post #94
kyledrake wrote: post #89

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> I think reasonable people can agree that technology has paved the way for few exceptions which require special protections to free speech Do you think it should have been unlawful for Reddit to ban Coontown? What would you think to be an appropriate punishment for this proposed crime? A fine? Jail time?

Before moving on to another site (which is a logical move to determine the bounds of the exceptions), what do you think of your parent's suggestion regarding Google? Easier to work from some point of common ground (if there is some).

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Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by wallace_f »

sanswork wrote: post #99
wallace_f wrote: post #91

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I find this comment to be ignorant and not constructive. Edit: This user already had this debate in another thread and conceded, then brought it up here again. Here are some comments from this user to show you what I mean: > It was stuff like idiots accusing everyone that didn't support trump > There is a lot of worthless hate speech in the world. Nothing is learned from it except that the speaker is ignorant > You'r…

I don't see what I conceded exactly? The post I responded to claimed that reddit was claiming to be about free speech when spez has openly stated on many occasions that it wasn't originally and isn't now and that it only became more open to it because they were lazing about policing. That has nothing to do with my other statements nor does it contradict any of them.

So we are talking about free speech then? It sounds like you have already forgotten that the comment I replied to said "no one is talking about free speech."

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by wallace_f »

grzm wrote: post #98
wallace_f wrote: post #96

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Yea, I think there is a clear distinction. Google inhabits an arguably monopolistic or at least monopolistic-competitive ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition ) space. Google also arguably is approximating a public good. Search is free to use, and you actually have to rely on it and use it to compete in the modern marketplace for educational resources. There are many things we all rely on to compet…

You're replying to kyledrake, correct?

To both. I was just expounding on the distinction I see b/w reddit and Google -- the point was trying to make was that I don't think it's completely appropriate to make Google analogous to reddit.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by sanswork »

wallace_f wrote: post #104
sanswork wrote: post #99

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I don't see what I conceded exactly? The post I responded to claimed that reddit was claiming to be about free speech when spez has openly stated on many occasions that it wasn't originally and isn't now and that it only became more open to it because they were lazing about policing. That has nothing to do with my other statements nor does it contradict any of them.

So we are talking about free speech then? It sounds like you have already forgotten that the comment I replied to said "no one is talking about free speech."

In that specific comment no. It was about reddit's core beliefs. The fact that the word free speech was used in the sentence doesn't make that a central point of that conversation.

In the general case also no because a private platform not promoting someones speech isn't a free speech issue.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by wheelerwj »

nunez wrote: post #51
harryh wrote: post #9

As someone who reads reddit fairly frequently, this doesn't reflect my experience on the site. In reality there is no unified reddit. I've taken a gander at /r/The_Donald a couple of times (mostly out of morbid curiosity) but other than those few times I've experienced very little impact of whatever it is they are doing. I read some sports subredits. I read some culture subredits. I read some of the bigger basic ente…

Agreed. I normally consume Reddit via RSS and only keep up with a few subs. I haven't noticed much of the frenzy that people have been talking about. I could imagine someone seeing this if they stick to the default front page.

not the default front page. it's r/all that's taken a beating as well as the comments section of other subs.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by wnevets »

leurfete wrote: post #10
wnevets wrote: post #4

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you're right, its not even coded hate speech.

I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that concept grants license to attach racist connotations to just about any sentence. Is there a post on r/The_Donald that stands out to you as being hate speech?

https://i.redd.it/qhilg1rxa5gx.jpg

looks like hate speech to me.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by CaptSpify »

tux1968 wrote: post #16
paulcole wrote: post #11

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Reddit, a private website, is under no obligation to provide a safe space for free speech.

Of course. But then advertise yourself as such, not as a bastion of free speech and authentic conversations. To me that is admitting your side of the argument is weak and fearful.

This is what drove me nuts. HN doesn't at all claim to be a free-speech area. And that's fine. In fact, I'd argue that it's a great way to keep everyone focused, and helps keep the trolls out.

But I've never seen anywhere that HN claims to be about free speech. Reddit claimed that title for a long time, even when they were clearly censoring things. Feel free to tell people to fuck off. There's nothing wrong with doing that on your private site. But don't turn around and tell people you are a free-speech site while doing so.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by dang »

JurgenJugglar wrote: post #60
jballanc wrote: post #47

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The question at the crux of it, and this is where it gets complicated, is would the same joke be made if they were men? Or a bit simpler of a question would be: were there overweight male celebrities that denounced Trump and claimed they would move to Canada should he win, and have any jokes been made at their expense related to their weight? If the answer to either question is "no", then this post qualifies as hate…

Women are teased for physical defects, men for mental defects. Deal with it. Literally. Deal with it. Men and women have actual differences. And just because there's a term paired with a definition doesn't mean that the term isn't ridiculously stupid, in so far as it seeks to pass judgment on the natural tribality of apes. You should read up on the impact of sex and gender differences in pharmacology. Or just observe…

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