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Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by nunez »

harryh wrote: post #9

As someone who reads reddit fairly frequently, this doesn't reflect my experience on the site. In reality there is no unified reddit. I've taken a gander at /r/The_Donald a couple of times (mostly out of morbid curiosity) but other than those few times I've experienced very little impact of whatever it is they are doing. I read some sports subredits. I read some culture subredits. I read some of the bigger basic ente…

Agreed. I normally consume Reddit via RSS and only keep up with a few subs. I haven't noticed much of the frenzy that people have been talking about.

I could imagine someone seeing this if they stick to the default front page.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by batiudrami »

rrggrr wrote: post #39
batiudrami wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's typically the commenters. /r/The_Donald has rules which are supposed to stop hate speech (and typically they delete posts which are). However, with remarkable consistency, if you find someone spouting bigotry and hatred in another subreddit, they are almost always regular /r/The_Donald posters.

If this is argument for banning the subreddit, as opposed to the user, its no less scary than the offensive speech.

why? they did it for /r/fatpeoplehate for the same reason and it significantly improved reddit.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by [deleted] »

tux1968 wrote: post #16
paulcole wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit, a private website, is under no obligation to provide a safe space for free speech.

Of course. But then advertise yourself as such, not as a bastion of free speech and authentic conversations. To me that is admitting your side of the argument is weak and fearful.

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Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by faggotfromspace »

jballanc wrote: post #29
leurfete wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that concept grants license to attach racist connotations to just about any sentence. Is there a post on r/The_Donald that stands out to you as being hate speech?

I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deser…

It's a joke; which if not self-evident should be by the comments.

jballanc, your comments are offensive to me... now, I'm no lawyer, but I think your comment is awfully close to hate speech.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by leephillips »

jballanc wrote: post #29
leurfete wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that concept grants license to attach racist connotations to just about any sentence. Is there a post on r/The_Donald that stands out to you as being hate speech?

I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deser…

Personal insults are not "hate speech".

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by disposable235 »

jballanc wrote: post #29
leurfete wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took a look at their sub. I couldn't find any hate speech (though I ignored heavily downvoted comments). I'm also suspicious of "coded hate speech" since that concept grants license to attach racist connotations to just about any sentence. Is there a post on r/The_Donald that stands out to you as being hate speech?

I was curious. So I looked. This was the top non-stickied post I saw: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5fltt9/amy_schu... To save others the trouble, the title of the post is "Amy Schumer And Lena Dunham Are Finally Leaving The Country" and the image is of two orca whales being prepared for transport. The very non-coded message is that these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deser…

> I'm no lawyer, but I think that's treading awfully close to "hate speech".

How about caricature of public figures? Note that they do not have to be tasteful or respectful. Just look at bankers depicted as pigs.

I am neither american nor a lawyer, but as I understand it hate speech has a fairly narrow definition over there. It requires imminent danger of inciting violence. Merely expressing racist or other kinds of -ist viewpoints is not hate speech.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by GabberBots »

harryh wrote: post #9

As someone who reads reddit fairly frequently, this doesn't reflect my experience on the site. In reality there is no unified reddit. I've taken a gander at /r/The_Donald a couple of times (mostly out of morbid curiosity) but other than those few times I've experienced very little impact of whatever it is they are doing. I read some sports subredits. I read some culture subredits. I read some of the bigger basic ente…

Would it be fair to say that the subs you visit are not typical targets for political discussions? The problem has been the chilling effects that T_D has had within its sphere of influence. The brunt of which has been felt by the mod teams in toeing the line between free speech and preventing civil unrest.

Re: Reddit Is Tearing Itself Apart

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Post by JurgenJugglar »

jballanc wrote: post #47
JurgenJugglar wrote: post #34

>these two women are "as fat as whales" and furthermore that they deserve to be derided based on physical appearance because of their expressed political opinions. Comedic body shapes paired with comedic political views and philosophies. What's wrong with it? They tried cheap virtue signaling and lost the bet. Boo hoo my sympathies. To deride the visual and linguistic imagination of cognitive entities as "hate speech…

The question at the crux of it, and this is where it gets complicated, is would the same joke be made if they were men? Or a bit simpler of a question would be: were there overweight male celebrities that denounced Trump and claimed they would move to Canada should he win, and have any jokes been made at their expense related to their weight? If the answer to either question is "no", then this post qualifies as hate…

Women are teased for physical defects, men for mental defects.

Deal with it. Literally. Deal with it. Men and women have actual differences.

And just because there's a term paired with a definition doesn't mean that the term isn't ridiculously stupid, in so far as it seeks to pass judgment on the natural tribality of apes.

You should read up on the impact of sex and gender differences in pharmacology. Or just observe everyday interaction.

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