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Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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This is well known. Relative social status has an influence on health. Above survival level, it's healthier to be at the top of a poor culture than at the bottom of a rich one, even if the absolute level is lower.

> Above survival level, it's healthier to be at the top of a poor culture than at the bottom of a rich one, even if the absolute level is lower.

This does not apply to Switzerland and the Nordic European countries. (It does clearly apply to the US, though.)

Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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post #32

This is well known. Relative social status has an influence on health. Above survival level, it's healthier to be at the top of a poor culture than at the bottom of a rich one, even if the absolute level is lower.

>This is well known. Relative social status has an influence on health.

You mean outside of health choices made for financial reasons? That was news to me. Simply being in bottom hurts you, even if you are doing everything else the same.

Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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> Some of the specific ideas for demonstrating high status included not moving your head when speaking, speaking and moving slowly, beginning statements with a long 'uhhhh' (a short 'uh' sound, however, demonstrated low status), and taking up space. I hope this knowledge (regardless of whether it's true) does not spread - I'm sure there would be plenty of people who will try to "hack the system" and will act accordin…

That happened at least 10 years ago with the publication of The Game [1] and the emergence of the pickup community [2]. And if you want to know how insufferable it's been, just ask any woman who's been in the dating scene in the past 10 years how they feel about 'negging'. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game:_Penetrating_the_Secr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community

I'm more of a relationship kind a guy, but let me tell you if you workout women are no saints either. Women 'negg' as well and use very brash language of your body parts and what they would do with you.

Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happened at least 10 years ago with the publication of The Game [1] and the emergence of the pickup community [2]. And if you want to know how insufferable it's been, just ask any woman who's been in the dating scene in the past 10 years how they feel about 'negging'. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game:_Penetrating_the_Secr... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community

I'm more of a relationship kind a guy, but let me tell you if you workout women are no saints either. Women 'negg' as well and use very brash language of your body parts and what they would do with you.

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"I would wait for a biologist to do a more careful analysis of why those genes are being activated before using this to justify any political action." Already done. I refer to the "Dunedin Study" , (Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study). [0] Read the summaries of how this was/is being conducted. The most revealing insight into the links between poverty, disease and mortality. People born into povert…

I'm not able to speak to the statistical validity of the test, but as a software developer I find it more convincing if there's an explicit causal connection. Like, "Poor people live in darker homes, and the photosensitive ganglion cells are connected to the part of the brain that controls melanin production. And this triggers a sleep response more often, which causes the immune system to behave in X, Y, and Z". How…

"I'm not able to speak to the statistical validity of the test, but as a software developer I find it more convincing if there's an explicit causal connection."

@Michael, biology is messy compared to machines. To judge a measure of certainty in the methodology and results, read the peer-reviewed papers submitted to scientists working in this and other fields ~ http://dunedinstudy.otago.ac.nz/publications

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I would wait for a biologist to do a more careful analysis of why those genes are being activated before using this to justify any political action." Already done. I refer to the "Dunedin Study" , (Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study). [0] Read the summaries of how this was/is being conducted. The most revealing insight into the links between poverty, disease and mortality. People born into povert…

I'm not able to speak to the statistical validity of the test, but as a software developer I find it more convincing if there's an explicit causal connection. Like, "Poor people live in darker homes, and the photosensitive ganglion cells are connected to the part of the brain that controls melanin production. And this triggers a sleep response more often, which causes the immune system to behave in X, Y, and Z". How…

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Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I would wait for a biologist to do a more careful analysis of why those genes are being activated before using this to justify any political action." Already done. I refer to the "Dunedin Study" , (Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study). [0] Read the summaries of how this was/is being conducted. The most revealing insight into the links between poverty, disease and mortality. People born into povert…

I'm not able to speak to the statistical validity of the test, but as a software developer I find it more convincing if there's an explicit causal connection. Like, "Poor people live in darker homes, and the photosensitive ganglion cells are connected to the part of the brain that controls melanin production. And this triggers a sleep response more often, which causes the immune system to behave in X, Y, and Z". How…

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Re: Low social status 'can damage immune system'

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post #65

fucking meme-science

We've asked you many times to comment civilly and substantively, so we've banned this account.

That's OK. If one likes to be posted by this kind of crap - it is his choice.

Distant correlations based solely on statistics have no explanatory power, because so called non negligible statistical correlation might reflect complex multi variable phenomena observer has no clue about.

This is just the confirmation bias at work. With same degree of "scientific" bravado it could be stated that number of teeth are related to the number of major brain areas, or any silly stuff like that.

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Unless you can reduce inequality to zero - Harrison Bergeron style [1] - you can't fix this by reducing inequality. It's an ironclad law of mathematics that 20% of the population will be part of the bottom fifth. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron

I believe the level of inequality, and the level of social mobility (which is probably related to the magnitude of inequality), is more important than the existence of inequality.

Are you aware of any academic literature on the subject?
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