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European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by fuzzy2 »

pmontra wrote: post #4

Smart criminals will use strong encryption anyway and won't give the passwords to law enforcement both for data at rest and sent over the Internet. I'm encrypting my disk now, but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. I'm encrypting so if somebody steals my computer they won't read my data. I think that almost everybody is like me. Weakening that encryption doesn't help me and doesn't help i…

> but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant.

That’s not right. In most countries, you don’t need to incriminate yourself. Before making wrongheaded decisions, contact a lawyer.

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by zombees »

ferongr wrote: post #10
kenoph wrote: post #6

Killer use of Caps Lock and broken English. Proud of my country. On a serious note, I really do hope that we won't follow USA steps this time. But I'm afraid that the average person doesn't really care for or understand cryptography. Maybe a dickpic approach à la John Oliver could be useful as a way to raise awareness on the matter.

When don't need inflammatory personas like John Oliver in Europe.

Would you care to elaborate? He's from Europe.

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by musha68k »

ferongr wrote: post #10
kenoph wrote: post #6

Killer use of Caps Lock and broken English. Proud of my country. On a serious note, I really do hope that we won't follow USA steps this time. But I'm afraid that the average person doesn't really care for or understand cryptography. Maybe a dickpic approach à la John Oliver could be useful as a way to raise awareness on the matter.

When don't need inflammatory personas like John Oliver in Europe.

What can a "hacker" possibly have against John Oliver? He and his team were the most effective drivers for stronger Net Neutrality policies in the US.

The man is a living legend.

Edit: 12 million views on the abstract topic of Net Neutrality.

That's what I would call a feat indeed:

https://youtu.be/fpbOEoRrHyU

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by kenoph »

musha68k wrote: post #13
ferongr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When don't need inflammatory personas like John Oliver in Europe.

What can a "hacker" possibly have against John Oliver? He and his team were the most effective drivers for stronger Net Neutrality policies in the US. The man is a living legend. Edit: 12 million views on the abstract topic of Net Neutrality. That's what I would call a feat indeed: https://youtu.be/fpbOEoRrHyU

Well I'm sure some people lost the respect for the guy after he jumped on the "vote for Hillary" bandwagon. But yeah, things like the Snowden interview, Net Neutrality and some other episodes are simply brilliant.

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by guard-of-terra »

You don't need to take on cryptography to fight cybercrime. Cybercrime usually leaves huge trail of evidence. Usually in form of lost money (transactions) and bricked devices.

Fighting cybercrime has different obstacles: it's usually cross-border, and its victims are usually common people. Nobody cares terribly much when a commoner loses $100. Even when there's a thousand of them.

What you need to take on cryptography, is "to snoop". Why would you need that, huh?

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by roblabla »

vuanotinv wrote: post #8
pmontra wrote: post #4

Smart criminals will use strong encryption anyway and won't give the passwords to law enforcement both for data at rest and sent over the Internet. I'm encrypting my disk now, but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. I'm encrypting so if somebody steals my computer they won't read my data. I think that almost everybody is like me. Weakening that encryption doesn't help me and doesn't help i…

Dumb people believe this is about whether encrypted data from criminals can be decrypted or not. It's not about that. It's about being able of charging a criminal with something just for using encryption. That way it won't matter if he refuses to give up the key.

Except you can already use key disclosure laws[0] against those people.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by sbuttgereit »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #11
pmontra wrote: post #4

Smart criminals will use strong encryption anyway and won't give the passwords to law enforcement both for data at rest and sent over the Internet. I'm encrypting my disk now, but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. I'm encrypting so if somebody steals my computer they won't read my data. I think that almost everybody is like me. Weakening that encryption doesn't help me and doesn't help i…

> but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. That’s not right. In most countries, you don’t need to incriminate yourself. Before making wrongheaded decisions, contact a lawyer.

This. In the U.S. at least, the 5th amendment gives you the right not to incriminate yourself. A search warrant doesn't change that.

Not all authentication methods are equal it appears. Fingerprint, facial recognition, other bio-metrics aren't considered the same as if you need to "speak" your password to someone. In other words, they can make you scan your finger or look into a camera, but they can't force you to tell them your password.

Re: European Union dedicated questionnaire on the Encryption of Data

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Post by loup-vaillant »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #11
pmontra wrote: post #4

Smart criminals will use strong encryption anyway and won't give the passwords to law enforcement both for data at rest and sent over the Internet. I'm encrypting my disk now, but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. I'm encrypting so if somebody steals my computer they won't read my data. I think that almost everybody is like me. Weakening that encryption doesn't help me and doesn't help i…

> but I'll give the password to police if they have a search warrant. That’s not right. In most countries, you don’t need to incriminate yourself. Before making wrongheaded decisions, contact a lawyer.

On the other hand, not giving your password right away may be interpreted as an indication that you have something to hide (which you inevitably do), and they may tag you for even further scrutiny.

Also, UK: don't give your password, go to prison. Indefinitely.

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