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Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by kamaal »

realrocker wrote: post #18

I am not sure about this. India has never been good at conforming to a particular point of view. Aurangzeb tried it. Indira tried it. I read an article about traffic of a country implying how lawful it is. And just before reading this, I almost got knocked down by a big car jumping a red light while on a bike(In Bangalore too. We call ourselves civilized here). So whenever I get worried, we are falling into absolutis…

>>Like the Big Lebowski, we only want our own patch of carpet, everyone else can go fuck themselves. Hail Tribalism :/

Actually this is largely an outcome of scarcity. Not culture.

As somebody whose three generation have lived in Bangalore, the situation wasn't exactly the same. At least with a lot less intensity.

Before all this IT craze started the city was pretty normal to live in.

With the crowd comes competition.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by NotACongitard »

This article a load of crap. Modi is the best thing to happen for India after decades and decades of ultra-corrupt and insanely criminal Congress rule. Congress ministers/MPs never actually did any work and were involved in few of the greatest scams in the history of India.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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NotACongitard wrote: post #49
pksadiq wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neither is he an anti-Muslim. [citation needed] (considering his involvement in Gujrat riots and Babari Masjid issues.).

@pksadiq, >> [citation needed] (considering his involvement in Gujrat riots and Babari Masjid issues.). What about those Hindus burnt alive in a train by muslim terrorists? Do you support them?

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Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by middleclick »

NotACongitard wrote: post #54

Well, we know how "well developed" commie ruled states in India (West Bengal and Kerala). One of them is a failed state, they both have been turned into islamic terrorist sleeper cells just for commie/secular vote bank.

Wrong. Kerala has the highest HDI in the country. The highest literacy rate. And the first in the country to be open defecation free.

I mean your right-wing bias is pretty clear with your HN username and that is fine, but lies are not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by middleclick »

amriksohata wrote: post #7

What a load of bollocks this is exactly why the right has triumphed in America and Europe, the dumbass left continue their pursuit of identity politics which will wipe them out.

I see a lot of new accounts for this specific thread. Is the BJP IT team working overtime?

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by middleclick »

neigel_f wrote: post #37

Seems like HN people has a lot of Pro Congress people in them. How long are you gonna keep the narrative of that one riot and say Modi did that and sweep away hundreds of bloodbath across India under various Leftist and "Secular" party ruled states. I think it's not very romantic to report these facts in international media. God these self declared Liberals are everywhere, from New York Times, CNN, BBC, Huffington Po…

Just to be clear, this is another new account, barely an hour old. Is it possible to flag such accounts?

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by middleclick »

abhigupta wrote: post #20
vamsi360 wrote: post #8

Is there any fact behind saying that Modi is inspired by Nazis?

Yes, there is some vague things people associated with Modi's organization said back in 1940s related to Nazis. Though, nothing since 1940s ... but logic isn't a strong suit of leftist arguments.

Since you bring up the argument of "logic and leftists", science indicates that conservatives tend to have lower IQs. Just saying.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by dorfsmay »

throwawayIndian wrote: post #22
realrocker wrote: post #18

I am not sure about this. India has never been good at conforming to a particular point of view. Aurangzeb tried it. Indira tried it. I read an article about traffic of a country implying how lawful it is. And just before reading this, I almost got knocked down by a big car jumping a red light while on a bike(In Bangalore too. We call ourselves civilized here). So whenever I get worried, we are falling into absolutis…

Oh man! The Big Lebowski reference is 200% accurate. On a serious note though, it feels almost certain that the Modi Government is going to lead India into another bloodshed, sooner or later. I hope not but that sinking feeling just doesn't go away given his track record.

Can you explain the issues with Modi's government? As somebody who has never been there and get his news from the Caspian report, John Oliver and Al Jazeera, it looks like Modi is trying to do the right thing for the country.

Re: India is displaying classic signs that foreshadow fascism

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Post by kem »

Shivetya wrote: post #25
Latty wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this a lot recently. 'identity politics' is an odd thing to accuse the left of. While the right continually fights to disadvantage groups of people (or keep them disadvantaged), they claim the left is focusing too much on those groups when they fight back. I'm sure that if they had not been trying to hard to paint slaves not as people, but as chattel, the slave owners in the past would have called abolition…

you really need to study up on it. It is not about trying to disadvantage groups, it is all about using the identity of a group to defend any actions or positions they take. Worse is when it is applied to candidates for office because every disagreement with that candidate is taken instead as an attack on them because of their race, religion, sex, and orientation. It is a shameless exploitation that the left has cham…

I agree that the left has its own form of bigotry that goes underchallenged for the most part, but the argument you're referring to is one of the most insidious and disingenuous the right espouses.

For the most part, the identity politics of the right have evolved from an explicit racism and sexism to an implicit one. The argument goes "as long as we don't explicitly mention race, sex, or ethnicity, we're ok," which isn't true. Voter ID laws are perfect example of this: they deny citizens of their constitutional right to vote without due process, in the absence of evidence for any systematic problems, and disenfranchise people based on socioeconomic status, and implicitly by race, but then complain when they're called on it, whining that the left has somehow shifted the goalposts. It's a sort of Bart Simpson defense ("I'm just walking around swinging my arms and if anyone happens to be in my way, it's their fault").

The essence of the Trump phenomenon to me seems to be the right getting tired of playing this game, of hiding the racism and identity politics they play. Trump just came out with it unapologetically, "saying it like it is" according to some of his supporters. I'm not saying everyone who voted for Trump did it for those reasons, but it was certainly a big part of it, especially during the primaries. I believe much of the mainstream right was not truly appalled by what he said, just the fact that he was so open about it. They distanced themselves from him when they believed it was politically harmful, and now are cozying up to him again when they realized it wasn't.

Who's playing identity politics again?

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