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Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by danieldon »

ugh wrote: post #62
gizmo wrote: post #17

Hmm, I think Jon took a few too many creative liberties here for the sake of entertainment. 1. According to Gizmodo the door was broken in because the journalist wasn't at home. He was having dinner in a restaurant, arrived later when the search was already in progress. The authorities acted respectfully with his belongings, etc. There is a huge difference between ringing the bell a few times and breaking the door wh…

Jon Stewart does comedy, not news :)

We still expect him to get his facts right. After all, we love the Stewart & Colbert for exposing the BS of others, not generating new BS themselves.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by eavc »

Retric wrote: post #70
ThomPete wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Googles business model requires openes I really don't think it's fair to compare the two. Apple sell products, google sell advertising. Apple is dependent only on their own ecosystem, google on the entire Internet. I would be much more worried about the data that google collects about you than apple. And let's not forget that google is not more open than you don't know exactly how their search algorithms work and hav…

I think Google is in a much more big brother relationship with it's users than Apple is. Apple restricts it's HW and what can run on it, but it does not keep track of it's Users. IMO, Apple is really much more Disneyland where everything is expensive, looks nice, and is under their control. Also working as a vendor at Disneyland really sucks and involves a lot of rules which can change at any time. But, Disneyland on…

But iAds changes this. Google only cares about your info to better target you. Now Apple has an ad platform and will want to do the same.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by eavc »

hkuo wrote: post #77

This actually saddens me on Jon Stewart's part. I'm a huge fan of his with his ability to report the more truthful side of politics. This lessens his credibility to me since his facts are misrepresented or missing. He completely ignores the "finder's" role in this and his not-so-secret desire to make money on his discovery, and fails to address the moral obligation on Jason Chen's part as a professional journalist, a…

In the interest of humor, some details drop out and some are glossed over.

This story resonates because of all the other ways Apple now resembles what they used to rebel against. The stormtroopers thing is just a very visual metaphor.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by eavc »

vl wrote: post #38
ahk wrote: post #3

What a turnaround! Just a few days ago everyone was highly sympathetic towards Apple losing one of their most valued secrets (not really all that much though) and boycotting Gizmodo and everything. Now with even Jon Stewart mocking them, calling them Big Brother and asking them to look in the mirror, this has turned into a major PR disaster for Apple. IMO, if they don't respond quickly and positively, this could turn…

>this has turned into a major PR disaster for Apple I think it's a major PR victory for Apple. Jon Stewart just told everybody that he loves Apple products, likes new iPhone, wants one and that Apple broke some doors. Now everybody knows that they have to get new iPhone this summer. This controversy spiked public interest and this media coverage would not be achievable for them even if they pay godzillion dollars.

No, Jon Stewart just told everyone that Apple makes good gear but that they've become "the man."

That's a big deal considering the nature of Apple's customer base.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by tptacek »

ThomPete wrote: post #55
siculars wrote: post #24

I'm really with Stewart on this one. Both in that I love Apple products and that I think Apple is becoming "The Man" they used to rail against. Can you be a dominant player and not be "The Man"? Well, I think Google is making a good go of it. For what it's worth I'm going to Google I/O this year and not WWDC. Market be damned, my philosophy compels me to seek out open. And nowadays Google is out-opening Apple.

Googles business model requires openes I really don't think it's fair to compare the two. Apple sell products, google sell advertising. Apple is dependent only on their own ecosystem, google on the entire Internet. I would be much more worried about the data that google collects about you than apple. And let's not forget that google is not more open than you don't know exactly how their search algorithms work and hav…

You mean except for the part where Google can effectively de-list any business from the Internet (by evicting them from the Internet's primary navigation mechanism, and the only navigation tool most non-technical users know to use) on any pretext whatsoever?

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by fnid2 »

siculars wrote: post #24

I'm really with Stewart on this one. Both in that I love Apple products and that I think Apple is becoming "The Man" they used to rail against. Can you be a dominant player and not be "The Man"? Well, I think Google is making a good go of it. For what it's worth I'm going to Google I/O this year and not WWDC. Market be damned, my philosophy compels me to seek out open. And nowadays Google is out-opening Apple.

Google is much more "Big Brother" then Apple. WHY?

Because if you don't use Apple products, Apple doesn't care. They don't track you and they don't store your information.

Google however is a different case. Even if I don't intend to use Google's products, I don't search from their site, and I am not a customer of any of their products, they STILL track me through javascript files linked to or embedded by other websites I do visit.

I can choose not to be tracked by Apple, but unless I take extreme measures, like blocking google domains in my HOSTS file, which I do, I can still be tracked by them -- against my explicit consent, which is exactly what Big Brother did.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by sophacles »

hkuo wrote: post #77

This actually saddens me on Jon Stewart's part. I'm a huge fan of his with his ability to report the more truthful side of politics. This lessens his credibility to me since his facts are misrepresented or missing. He completely ignores the "finder's" role in this and his not-so-secret desire to make money on his discovery, and fails to address the moral obligation on Jason Chen's part as a professional journalist, a…

You are aware that Jon Stewart is a comedian, with a comedy show on a channel devoted to comedy right? The only place the news and facts come in is when they are the basis for a joke.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by sophacles »

mbreese wrote: post #36
rayval wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The matter was not something that needed to be attended to at 9:45 pm on a Friday night. They could have done it during business hours. Actually, they did not even need to visit the premises. They could have used a subpoena.

They could have used a subpoena If you're investigating a possible crime, you don't say "Hey, at your convenience could you get us your computers for us to look at?" You get a warrant and take the computers as soon as possible. You can argue whether or not the warrant should have been issued, but once it was, the rest of the raid seemed pretty standard.

Not really. People get arrested for old oustanding warrants all the time, search warrant backlogs are pretty common. In fact, in general it is a good idea to back off a bit. It creates a false sense of security in the suspect, allowing better effectiveness when warrants are served, due to suprise. I know there is a "but they will destroy the evidence" protest, but in most cases, by the time a warrant is available the evidence will either be long gone, or completely overlooked (the stupid factor), this is one of those cases, he had plenty of time to wipe relevant drives between the announcement of a police investigation and the warrant serving.

The use of a raid force on a person who is not known to be violent and/or uncooperative is just excessive.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by rosshudgens »

hkuo wrote: post #77

This actually saddens me on Jon Stewart's part. I'm a huge fan of his with his ability to report the more truthful side of politics. This lessens his credibility to me since his facts are misrepresented or missing. He completely ignores the "finder's" role in this and his not-so-secret desire to make money on his discovery, and fails to address the moral obligation on Jason Chen's part as a professional journalist, a…

This is the problem with Jon Stewart's platform. People take it too seriously. Stewart has explicitly said that taking him seriously is a misstep - don't. He is going to say some poignant, legit stuff, but if you take it as a comprehensive take on the news, you're doing him a disservice.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by hkuo »

rosshudgens wrote: post #89
hkuo wrote: post #77

This actually saddens me on Jon Stewart's part. I'm a huge fan of his with his ability to report the more truthful side of politics. This lessens his credibility to me since his facts are misrepresented or missing. He completely ignores the "finder's" role in this and his not-so-secret desire to make money on his discovery, and fails to address the moral obligation on Jason Chen's part as a professional journalist, a…

This is the problem with Jon Stewart's platform. People take it too seriously. Stewart has explicitly said that taking him seriously is a misstep - don't. He is going to say some poignant, legit stuff, but if you take it as a comprehensive take on the news, you're doing him a disservice.

True. Good point. I suppose my main disappointment is in the fact that he has generally had a good track record of distilling complicated things down to common sense "no-duhs". But he's failed at this in this case, to me at least.
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