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Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by ThomPete »

There are so many things wrong with Jobs explanation I don't know where to begin.

But two claims really pisses me off.

Battery Life

If I activate push notification it sure isn't nice to my battery. So I switch it off.

The same thing could be done with flash. Or even better, make flash an opt in. What's the problem.

Yes I know apple can claim that it will affect peoples impression of their products, but so do not having flash.

Touch

This really is a strawman of enormous proportions.

First. There are plenty of html pages out there that have roll-over. Plenty of menus that expand as you roll over them.

Second. Rollover states is not a problem for most flash websites that users use. In fact Apple could simply allow for rollovers to be activated on push down and click on release.

I love apples products, but they are simply in the wrong here. I love my iPad but not being able to see flash sites is really getting quite annoying.

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by endtime »

ThomPete wrote: post #5
yan wrote: post #2

I wonder why Jobs felt he had to explain this situation, which (in my opinion) was fairly clear to anyone involved in technology. Perhaps the criticism was getting to him? Also, I found this to be a brilliant snipe: > If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript?

It's called control over the experience something that really shouldn't be a surprise for Jobs. There are literally millions of experiences out there that can't be done with HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. if you want proof, go to theFWA.com and have a look around. For every bad flash solution out there, there are some quite fantastic ones. Flash gives you control of the experience in ways that by any metrics outcompete H…

Forgive me the simple question, but which part of theFWA.com couldn't be replicated in HTML5?

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by GavinB »

yan wrote: post #2

I wonder why Jobs felt he had to explain this situation, which (in my opinion) was fairly clear to anyone involved in technology. Perhaps the criticism was getting to him? Also, I found this to be a brilliant snipe: > If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript?

That quote comes in the context of rollovers. Modifying a flash app so that it doesn't require rollovers is an order of magnitude less difficult than rewriting the entire program from scratch.

Analogy: "Instead of replacing the car's steering wheel with a joystick, why not just rebuild it as a boat?"

There are lots of good points in the article, but I found that line flippant and misleading.

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by ugh »

not_an_alien wrote: post #19

The fact that the repeats the rollover crap makes it sound as if they're really trying hard on rationalizing. Just say it's a business decision, Apple. Stop pretending you have the consumer in mind.

What’s wrong about this argument? Would all Flash content that uses rollover just work on mobile touch devices or would some kind of modification be necessary? I’m really curious about that.

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by ThomPete »

lftl wrote: post #12
ThomPete wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called control over the experience something that really shouldn't be a surprise for Jobs. There are literally millions of experiences out there that can't be done with HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. if you want proof, go to theFWA.com and have a look around. For every bad flash solution out there, there are some quite fantastic ones. Flash gives you control of the experience in ways that by any metrics outcompete H…

There are literally millions of experiences out there that can't be done with HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. if you want proof, go to theFWA.com and have a look around. I don't disagree with your general premise about flash offering more robust design control, and it's possible I didn't look around enough on the site, but I didn't see anything on thefwa.com that you couldn't handle with a HTML5, CSS, and JS (heck, I didn…

Yes the sites that it is referring to is what I am talking about. You will be hard pressed to do anything like most of them in HTML5.

Or what about http://www.audiotool.com/

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by gokhan »

I don't care if iAnything supports flash or not. They can ignore Flash, Silverlight, any other third party component other than the pure HTML. Steve might be right and has all the moral rights not to support them.

But banning anything originally written in Flash, MonoTouch or any other rapid or not rapid external "to Object-C compiler platform" should be out of reach of Mr. Jobs' jurisdiction. As long as it runs on the platform, it's none of his business.

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by ThomPete »

endtime wrote: post #22
ThomPete wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called control over the experience something that really shouldn't be a surprise for Jobs. There are literally millions of experiences out there that can't be done with HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. if you want proof, go to theFWA.com and have a look around. For every bad flash solution out there, there are some quite fantastic ones. Flash gives you control of the experience in ways that by any metrics outcompete H…

Forgive me the simple question, but which part of theFWA.com couldn't be replicated in HTML5?

Not the site itself but the sites it's referring to.

Re: Thoughts on Flash

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Post by qeorge »

subbu wrote: post #14

Sachin Agarwal of Posterous explains reason#6 much better with a good example. Link here http://sachin.posterous.com/ie6-caused-the-web-to-mature-slo...

I'm a little tired of the "IE6 is holding back the web" meme. Lots of hand-waving, no examples.
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