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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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I would encourage the commenters in this thread who see Fidel's legacy as a black-and-white matter of an "evil dictator who did bad things and was wrong about economics" to step back, bear witness to the objective facts about Fidel Castro's life ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro ), think sincerely about what could lead a highly intelligent and charismatic person to become or follow Fidel Castro (as many ha…

Charismatic? Yes, but so was Hitler and Osama bin Laden. Revolutionary? yes, but so was Hitler. So, let's get it clear that that doesn't make him humane and good for society. >>If you think you're better, then do better. Be better. Don't refuse to acknowledge the humanity of another person because you believe you can totalize their entire life under a cheap tagline. This is a disingenuous advice. Will you not critici…

>>"Sad, this criminal didn't die a lot earlier."

Expected a higher level of discourse on HN. Wishful thinking.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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After reading some of the comments here, my fath in the human race is not enhanced. Castro was a genuine hero and a great man; indeed among the top 10 greatest individuals of the 20th century. He believed in freedom and dignity. He saw the US government as the enemy of progress everywhere in the world; he wanted people to be free and he devoted his life to that ideal. How many people can you say that of? > He was als…

> He believed in freedom > I detest the hypocrisy I see in many (not all) western commentators. A counterexample: this photo was taken in NYC after the most recent US presidential election: http://i.imgur.com/DcVbqAm.jpg It's a picture of someone standing in front of Trump Tower holding a sign that says "You're not my president. Fuck you." Can you imagine someone getting away with that in Castro's Cuba?

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Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority in the US hold an unfavorable view of Castro, but that's not the case worldwide. Even in Canada for instance, the more people think Castro was good for Cuba than not [1]. Asia generally holds him in high regard, and Europe has mixed feelings. For some objectivity, we could look at some stats. PPP adjusted GDP per capita is much lower than the US, but way better than China. Education is excellent [2] beca…

Why are cubans in miami celebrating his death? Are they misguided minorities that should follow the example of armchair politicians in privledged countries?

Because they are descendants of the middle and upper classes who benefited from the previous regime and lost everything when Castro came to power.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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His enemies claim he was a king without a crown, mistaking unity for unanimity.

And in that his enemies were right.

His enemies say if Napoleon had had a newspaper similar to the «Granma», no french would have ever heard about Waterloo.

And in that his enemies were right.

His enemies say he used power by talking and not listening, because he was more comfortable with echoes than with voices.

And in that his enemies were right.

But his enemies won't say that he didn't just stood by while history moved forward that he faced the bullets when the USA invasion arrived, that he faced hurricanes with equal fury as the wind, that he survived 637 attemps on his life, that his energy was decisive to turn a colony into homeland and that it wasn't by any spell or miracle that that homeland was able to survive 10 US presidents.

And his enemies won't say Cuba is one of those countries that won't compete in the International World Cup as to whom is the most servient.

And they won't say this revolution, grown in punishment, is what could be and not what it wanted to be. Nor they say that the division between the wish and the reality grew taller and wider thanks to the imperial blockade, that drowned the development of a cuban democracy, forced militarization of society and granted bureaucracy, which for every solution has a problem, the alibies it needed to justify and perpetuate itself.

And they won't say that despite all of the problems, despite the agressions from outside and arbitrariness from inside, this small island, suffered but stubbornly happy, has created the least unjust latin american society.

And they won't say that this achievement was because of the sacrifice of their people, but also because of the stubborn will and outdated sense of honor of this gentleman who always fought for the losers, much like that renowned colleague from the fields of Castilla.

Eduardo Galeano.

(apologies in advance for any mistakes I may have made while translating this from spanish)

Re: Fidel Castro has died

#406
post #297

I would encourage the commenters in this thread who see Fidel's legacy as a black-and-white matter of an "evil dictator who did bad things and was wrong about economics" to step back, bear witness to the objective facts about Fidel Castro's life ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro ), think sincerely about what could lead a highly intelligent and charismatic person to become or follow Fidel Castro (as many ha…

When you write "evil dictator", you mean that a dictator could not be evil. This is hugely wrong. Dictatorship contains evil. I appreciate your effort to invite people to learn from history instead of just rejecting a portion of it. But this is a black-and-white matter: he chose to be a dictator, and he was wrong. Subsequent crimes and economics theories are less important once you keep people from choosing their fat…

Dictatorship is not a concept that is synonymous with evil. Fabius Maximus was not evil. Coriolanus was not evil. Abraham Lincoln or George Washington, who were effectively dictators during war time, were not particularly evil.

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are cubans in miami celebrating his death? Are they misguided minorities that should follow the example of armchair politicians in privledged countries?

Because they are descendants of the middle and upper classes who benefited from the previous regime and lost everything when Castro came to power.

So his exiling of over a million cubans is acceptable, then?

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are cubans in miami celebrating his death? Are they misguided minorities that should follow the example of armchair politicians in privledged countries?

Because they are descendants of the middle and upper classes who benefited from the previous regime and lost everything when Castro came to power.

All of them? There was no poverty in cuba after Castro? Those that spoke out were capitalist pigs and deserved their punishment?

Right after obama came to cuba there was a large influx of cubans who made the journey through the carribean to the us to gain the guarenteed citizenship [0]. Why would people risk their lives to leave? Are these individuals also upper class escaping slaughter?

[0] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/05/cuban-immigr...

Re: Fidel Castro has died

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I would encourage the commenters in this thread who see Fidel's legacy as a black-and-white matter of an "evil dictator who did bad things and was wrong about economics" to step back, bear witness to the objective facts about Fidel Castro's life ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro ), think sincerely about what could lead a highly intelligent and charismatic person to become or follow Fidel Castro (as many ha…

I found this video [1] quite enlightening about the nature of power and how to hold onto it. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

Somewhat depressing to combine the insight of that video with the future of AI and widespread automation. Dictatorships here we come.
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