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Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by jaxbot » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:36 AM UTC

leifg wrote: post #13

Switch to self driving cars, problem solved.

This is my stance. Texting (and apps) while driving is a huge issue, but so is road rage, DUIs, forgetting to check the bike lane when turning, loud music that makes it impossible to hear ambulances approaching, massive A pillars in newer cars that save the passengers in a wreck but make it impossible to see pedestrians entering a crosswalk when taking a left, people being dicks and running lights because they're more important than you, and the general fact that humans get distracted and can never focus on all directions at once. I appreciate the regulators trying to solve a major piece of the puzzle, but honestly, if we want to reduce the toll that automobiles are pushing on society, we need to focus on a world where very few humans are driving. Some of that is self driving cars, some of that is better rapid transit infra (and two and two go together).

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by dangero » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:39 AM UTC

If this did pass I can imagine the number of rooted smart phones would skyrocket. There has never really been a compelling reason to root an iPhone, but I bet for a lot of people this would be it.

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by bsder » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:45 AM UTC

I hope they do this. I would love to laugh while the carriers never sell another phone and everybody else installs Cyanogen.

Toyota had to remove a system diagnostic feature that would disable the "can't adjust nav system while driving" misfeature.

I can just imagine the fuss if you forced someone under 35 to actually not be able to use their phone for 60 seconds.

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by roflchoppa » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:49 AM UTC

grzm wrote: post #16

roflchoppa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i would assume that it would be a majority of the donations, i cant think of other ways people die where their organs could still be utilized? (drug OD // old age // etc)

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that it's a major source as well. Looks like drug overdose is a significant (and unfortunately increasing) source: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/14/49779944... Looks like suicide is significant as well, though I'm not sure how to interpret this section of Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_donation#Suicide Crikey. What a morbid subject. :/

I would think that organs that are harvested from OD victims would not be "good" because of the harm that the drugs can cause the organs?

Perhaps its organs that were not effected // deemed usable.

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:57 AM UTC

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #5

georgeott wrote: post #3

What if you are just a passenger in the car? How will they determine this?

If the phone is connected to a car by Bluetooth or USB, assume it's the driver's. If you get it wrong, it's just a minor inconvenience (unplug if you really need to use those features).

This would be a disaster for me. Whenever my wife and I are traveling in the US she is the driver and I am the navigator. My phone will be connected and I have to "translate"/enhance Waze directions for her and take care of the music. So none of that would be possible anymore. Would be the same BS as some cars that won't allow me to pair my phone while my wife is driving. I guess we would just have to use the phone speakers then.

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by jastanton » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 5:59 AM UTC

georgeott wrote: post #3

What if you are just a passenger in the car? How will they determine this?

Random brainstorm: Disable every phone in motion, the only way to enable it is to pair with the car. If everyone has to register with a single database and car manufactures have control over it then the car can detect if the person paired with Bluetooth is allowed to be on their phone or not. This wouldn't work if driver wanted the passenger to use their phone. Just thinking out loud, seeing as this is a idea I don't like

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by StephenConnell » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 6:04 AM UTC

raldi wrote: post #11

pcl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good question. From the article, one of the things the guidelines call for is that manufacturers "develop technology to identify when the devices are being used by a driver while driving. That would ensure the limits are placed on drivers and not other vehicle occupants." I bet that if the handset manufacturers were to work with the car manufacturers, they could pretty easily locate the phone to a foot or so with m…

So not only will people still use apps while driving, now they'll do it while reaching their arm way out over the passenger seat.

That's not a big change. Don't you already reach way down below the windows so other drivers and police can't see you are using your phone?

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by visarga » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

roflchoppa wrote: post #2

Serious question, in the event that we don't have fatalities from auto accidents, where will the organ donations come from? Will it be a good push for stem cell technology?

It's already been that way since safety belts became mandatory - the number of organs for available for transplant plummeted.

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by roflchoppa » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 6:16 AM UTC

copperx wrote: post #9

roflchoppa wrote: post #2

Serious question, in the event that we don't have fatalities from auto accidents, where will the organ donations come from? Will it be a good push for stem cell technology?

We can make organ donation an opt-out checkbox.

i dont see why you would not want to be an organ donor, body is just a rental anyway?

Re: Auto Safety Regulators Seek a Driver Mode to Block Apps

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Post by grzm » Sat, Nov 26, 2016, 6:17 AM UTC

roflchoppa wrote: post #24

grzm wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that it's a major source as well. Looks like drug overdose is a significant (and unfortunately increasing) source: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/10/14/49779944... Looks like suicide is significant as well, though I'm not sure how to interpret this section of Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_donation#Suicide Crikey. What a morbid subject. :/

I would think that organs that are harvested from OD victims would not be "good" because of the harm that the drugs can cause the organs? Perhaps its organs that were not effected // deemed usable.

From the NPR article:

Dr. Jay Fishman, associate director of [Boston's Mass General] transplant center, says an organ from someone who used drugs is not necessarily risky and may even be healthier than other options.

"You have to remember that as awful as this outbreak is, these are younger people who are dying, often with needles in their arms, and many of them were first-time drug users," Fishman says. "They weren't all addicts."