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Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by monkeygrinder »

cmang wrote: post #45
monkeygrinder wrote: post #43

Shame, I can't see this video from UK. 'Not available in your country'. Still don't understand the reasoning behind regional limits on online video - esp as it airs on TV.

I think it may have to do with advertising targeting different regions. If they're advertising something you can't buy in your country, then what is the advertiser paying for?

Still, they can change the ad - based on your IP address. No, it's up to the content owners. Luckily i've found a workaround: http://www.labnol.org/internet/video/youtube-blocked-video-n...

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by c3o »

monkeygrinder wrote: post #43

Shame, I can't see this video from UK. 'Not available in your country'. Still don't understand the reasoning behind regional limits on online video - esp as it airs on TV.

That's because they have a contract with Channel4 to stream it in the UK: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-daily-show-with-jon-s... Not sure if the episode mentioned is already on there, since I in turn can't view the videos there...

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by cakesy »

wtn wrote: post #46
BRadmin wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe he's giving an opinion about Apple's actions, rather the accuracy of calling them "Big Brother" in light of the fact that other companies maintain a lot more information about their users than Apple does.

Yes, the video wasn't working when I tried to view it earlier.

Were you trying on a macbook?

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by octover »

rayval wrote: post #29
gizmo wrote: post #17

Hmm, I think Jon took a few too many creative liberties here for the sake of entertainment. 1. According to Gizmodo the door was broken in because the journalist wasn't at home. He was having dinner in a restaurant, arrived later when the search was already in progress. The authorities acted respectfully with his belongings, etc. There is a huge difference between ringing the bell a few times and breaking the door wh…

The matter was not something that needed to be attended to at 9:45 pm on a Friday night. They could have done it during business hours. Actually, they did not even need to visit the premises. They could have used a subpoena.

To not play fast and loose with the facts, the warrant was signed at 7pm and Jason Chen reported getting home around 9:45pm, but the search was well underway at that point.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by ThomPete »

siculars wrote: post #24

I'm really with Stewart on this one. Both in that I love Apple products and that I think Apple is becoming "The Man" they used to rail against. Can you be a dominant player and not be "The Man"? Well, I think Google is making a good go of it. For what it's worth I'm going to Google I/O this year and not WWDC. Market be damned, my philosophy compels me to seek out open. And nowadays Google is out-opening Apple.

Googles business model requires openes I really don't think it's fair to compare the two. Apple sell products, google sell advertising. Apple is dependent only on their own ecosystem, google on the entire Internet.

I would be much more worried about the data that google collects about you than apple. And let's not forget that google is not more open than you don't know exactly how their search algorithms work and have no saying on the premises used to rank you.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by dalore »

rayval wrote: post #29
gizmo wrote: post #17

Hmm, I think Jon took a few too many creative liberties here for the sake of entertainment. 1. According to Gizmodo the door was broken in because the journalist wasn't at home. He was having dinner in a restaurant, arrived later when the search was already in progress. The authorities acted respectfully with his belongings, etc. There is a huge difference between ringing the bell a few times and breaking the door wh…

The matter was not something that needed to be attended to at 9:45 pm on a Friday night. They could have done it during business hours. Actually, they did not even need to visit the premises. They could have used a subpoena.

Not could have, should have. He was a journalist which means he should have a subpoena.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by dalore »

gizmo wrote: post #17

Hmm, I think Jon took a few too many creative liberties here for the sake of entertainment. 1. According to Gizmodo the door was broken in because the journalist wasn't at home. He was having dinner in a restaurant, arrived later when the search was already in progress. The authorities acted respectfully with his belongings, etc. There is a huge difference between ringing the bell a few times and breaking the door wh…

Well he was a journalist which should have gave him rights against stuff like this (protect sources etc). They took ALL his computers, not just stuff related to the stolen iPhone, again breaking the law that is meant to protect sources.

And if I recall when the story first broke, Apple did not admit it was their prototype until the pictures and story came out.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by cmang »

monkeygrinder wrote: post #51
cmang wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it may have to do with advertising targeting different regions. If they're advertising something you can't buy in your country, then what is the advertiser paying for?

Still, they can change the ad - based on your IP address. No, it's up to the content owners. Luckily i've found a workaround: http://www.labnol.org/internet/video/youtube-blocked-video-n...

Sure, but that assumes they have ads or ad providers for your region. What if they don't? Then who pays for it?

Just a guess, really.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by FluidDjango »

dalore wrote: post #57
gizmo wrote: post #17

Hmm, I think Jon took a few too many creative liberties here for the sake of entertainment. 1. According to Gizmodo the door was broken in because the journalist wasn't at home. He was having dinner in a restaurant, arrived later when the search was already in progress. The authorities acted respectfully with his belongings, etc. There is a huge difference between ringing the bell a few times and breaking the door wh…

Well he was a journalist which should have gave him rights against stuff like this (protect sources etc). They took ALL his computers, not just stuff related to the stolen iPhone, again breaking the law that is meant to protect sources. And if I recall when the story first broke, Apple did not admit it was their prototype until the pictures and story came out.

> the law that is meant to protect sources

IANAL. Nor do I know all about journalists' rights v. police procedures, but I am puzzled at all the press and online discussion about "protecting sources":

Seems to me that journalists should be able to protect sources of * information * - which is different than protecting sources of * stolen property† *

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†or "stolen-ish" - whatever Calif calls found property that is supposed to lead to legitimate attempts to return it to rightful owner.

Re: Jon Stewart assails Apple for becoming "Big Brother"

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Post by statictype »

jrockway wrote: post #20

Microsoft was supposed to be the evil one. But you guys are busting down doors in Palo Alto while Commandant Gates is ridding the world of mosquitoes! What the fuck is going on?! It's all mixed up! At least Apple doesn't charge you $80 to change your desktop background on a netbook. But otherwise, I agree. Apple is hurting the field -- locking down hardware, mandating woefully outdated legacy programming languages, a…

At least Apple doesn't charge you $80 to change your desktop background on a netbook

On the other hand, they do charge you $99 an year for the privilege of putting code you wrote on a device you own.

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