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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Mithaldu »

evanws wrote: post #299
canttestthis wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you learn it by scrolling down on the front page and looking at the text below the list of moderators? I sincerely hope you aren't trusted to run a public community ever again if your first reaction is to start an off-site proposal to shut a community down.

Dude, calm down. That's why he didn't just do it without getting input from others. You can't reasonably expect someone to never have gaps in their knowledge.

> That's why he didn't just do it

Even if he tried he couldn't have done it. :v

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by threeseed »

problems wrote: post #53
nurettin wrote: post #47

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It may not be smart, but it definitely is not stupid as you might have insinuated. Individuals deciding to exit because they disagree with company policy (editing content and apologizing) is one thing, forcing others, who don't care about stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories, to do the same is entirely something else. (that something else is borderline despotic)

Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

The reason he removed the post was because he was being called a paedophile for killing off the pizzagate subreddit.

There is a ton of drama and conspiracy nonsense tied up in this. Frankly /r/the_donald should have been removed as well for the libelous and disgraceful comments.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by onetwotree »

This seems like an extremely silly move.

Reddit can broadly be partitioned into a small number of very popular "front page" subs, such as /r/TIL, /r/AskReddit, and /r/news, where drama and toxicity abound, and a vast number of topical subs (such as /r/golang), where discussion is focused on a specific topic, and generally friendly, civil, and useful.

I'm not a fan of the front page myself, although usually for reasons unrelated to the recent drama. But with a nicely curated set of subreddit subscriptions, I find the site to be a nice collection of news and discussion that interests me.

Hopefully the golang community shows some maturity and doesn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by TheGrumpyBrit »

problems wrote: post #34
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I'm not so sure dismissing this as "childish drama" is smart. Sure, it's technically possible, but technical possibility does not mean it should be used, especially in this sort of way. I don't think it's a bad idea to disassociate yourself from a company who's behaving in a way you don't want to condone.

It shouldn't be possible. There is certainly a reason for the ability to edit user posts to exist, but in an age where governments can and do demand details of a users activity, such a permission needs to be tightly controlled and properly audited.

He's the CEO. He has absolutely no need for that level of access to end user accounts, any more than the CEO of a bank needs permission to silently skim money out of customers accounts.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by threeseed »

stcredzero wrote: post #216
blitzd wrote: post #96

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I would argue that a moderator shutting down a community of 25,000 individuals because of their own personal opinions is just as much if not the greater abuse of power.

This is emblematic of what's wrong with so many subreddits and so much of the social web that comes in the form of "forums" -- it seems like we have entire generations of users who have associated the totalitarian nature of forums with things being "advanced" on the internet. Social media isn't mostly about free thought, free speech, and free inquiry anymore. Nowadays, it's mostly about the rapid dissemination of con…

This is self righteous, moralising nonsense. You are free to say whatever you want on the internet. Set up a blog or website and go nuts.

You aren't free to dictate the behaviour of companies who don't want content on their site that is objectionable or factually baseless.

Likewise it is just hypocritical and hilarious to complain about conformity just because your opinions don't correspond with theirs. Those people have the right to say and think what they want just like you do.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by ufo »

water42 wrote: post #28
rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

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Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

Do you have any proof of this? I haven't heard this before and they certainly have an active enough community to push things to the r/all quickly.

Their votes to comments ratio is much, much higher than other subreddits, which is very suspect.

Another suspect thing is that time when the Reddit algorthm broke and the first 50 pages of r/all were turned into /r/the_donald post. Apparently what happened is that the sorting broke and they were ordering posts by activity, revealing that /r/the_donald posts were being upvoted at a rate that dwarfed other subreddits.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by threeseed »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #118
shadowmint wrote: post #83

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Then leave. Don't use the site. How is this a big deal? If you're not comfortable with a platform then by every means, don't use it. ...but why does what you think mean that everyone should be affected?

Because then people don't get to be righteous.

That's the best thing about righteous people. The ease with which they want to control and dictate the opinions and behaviours of other people.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by onetwotree »

zapu wrote: post #39
potatosoup wrote: post #30

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As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident. EDIT: Apparently reddit has chang…

Unsubscribe to the default subs, subscribe to the ones that interest you. My reddit experience was more or less untouched by the election shitshow.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

m3talsmith wrote: post #258
johnnydoebk wrote: post #200

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I'd make the subreddit unofficial, too but for other reasons. It is a very unwelcoming place. I'm not the first one who's saying this, but it's really a shame how toxic the /r/golang is.

In order to keep this from being swept under the rug, I can say that I highly empathize with you. I will also say that this issue has improved greatly. When I used to hang out in #gonuts it used to be worse. I blame this on the egos and the expectations of early adopters and contributors. They came from a point of senior systems programmers. As the language grew in popularity, they were unprepared psychologically for…

>As the language grew in popularity, they were unprepared psychologically for dealing with new or junior programmers: the level of question..

This is so ironic. Go gained popularity fast the same way Python did, because it is easy to use and a relatively simple language.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sb8244 »

I don't understand the argument that this is outrageous and there should be auditing and all of that. How do you know there isn't? How do you know new policies will come into place that prevent this?

Jumping ship less than a week after it seems crazy to me.

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