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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by enraged_camel »

kps wrote: post #175
sachel1sta wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your text is nearly white within 19 minutes of being posted. It's obvious HackerNews is not safe--from certain people.

More likely it's because the comment has nothing to do with editing users' content — unless it's meant to suggest that someone else faked Eric Schmidt's email (from the time 5+ years ago when he was CEO of Google) to incriminate him.

The broader topic is about some golang moderators not wanting to associate with a company because of that company's actions. The downvoted comment simply extends the reasoning to other areas. It's pretty relevant imo.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by tomp »

pron wrote: post #103
wtbob wrote: post #55

> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign. We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago. [0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee…

> Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee who uses English pronouns correctly: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun He did not. He wrote, "to reject a pull request that eliminates a gendered pronoun on the principle that pronouns should in fact be gendered would constitute a fireable offense" (emphasis in original). First, this is very different from "using English pronouns"; yo…

Is there any proof that the request was rejected because Ben was "on principle" against neutral pronouns? His comment nicely states "not interested in trivial commits", which is a perfectly reasonable rejection, especially since the commit was possible not done in good faith but rather politically motivated.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by goblin89 »

nommm-nommm wrote: post #116
goblin89 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-native English speaker here. I’m defaulting to “they” or “one” unless it’s someone whose gender is known and is one of the two widely recognized today. Does that actually fall under incorrect usage of English pronouns?

No, it's correct English and has a long history of use and appears in famous writings. >The singular they had emerged by the 14th century and is common in everyday spoken English, but its use has been the target of criticism since the late 19th century. Its use in formal English has increased with the trend toward gender-inclusive language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

Thanks for linking. According to Wikipedia it does seem that in American English gender-neutral “they” is a bit of a touchy subject, in that some people and style guides find it unacceptable, so I took note of that. I’ll keep using “they” though, genderless speech is a neat language feature (and it just doesn’t sound wrong to me in English, like gendered pronouns do sometimes).

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

0xmohit wrote: post #151
siidooloo wrote: post #119

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People were accusing him of being a pedophile because redit removed a subreddit that was involved in a conspiracy falsley accusing other people of being pedophiles. He changed the attribution of the accusation to be against the people doing the brigading.

Funny. They site says that they don't do that. Quoting from Reddit Help: Will you remove something defamatory about me or my friend? [0]: The best way to deal with incorrect information on the Internet is to post the correct information next to it. The reddit community is usually very supportive of such a response, and will likely vote to give the correction greater prominence than the original post. Redditors love a…

That quote heavily suggests that it's talking about a one-off post rather than a foaming-at-the-mouth mob spamming libellous abuse.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Avshalom »

bradfitz wrote: post #160
saboot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.

The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces. I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete. I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

>>It turns out we didn't create it

No shit.

https://imgur.com/a/K2cWx

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by jarcane »

So, reddit actively continues to be a playground for fascists, racists, and sexists, has a history of hosting borderline child pornography, but what drives the golanger in question to finally leave is spez had a bit of a temper tantrum (with some of said fascists I might add) and edited some posts harassing him?

Some people's values are utterly alien to me.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by coldcode »

mrweasel wrote: post #3

I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…

Google Groups is just another thing Google will dump in time anyway. Why does it have to be some officialious Google thing anyway, why not let the people—the programmers who use Go—choose where they want to discuss it.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by bitmapbrother »

bradfitz wrote: post #69
Tharkun wrote: post #9

Their motivation for leaving Reddit is incredibly silly. Especially given that Google Groups -- of all things -- is their preferred alternative.

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. Google Groups is not my preferred alternative by any means. Google Groups is a 1990's webmail interface to crappy but federated SMTP. There is very little to like about it, but at least the underlying protocol (SMTP) is federated. It is NOT an alternative to Reddit, which has a nice UI & voting system. It's unfortunate that Reddit is not a reliable platform which can be…

Let me make something very clear - your threats are irrelevant. Anything you try to do will be quickly reversed or replaced. In fact there are already replacement reddits in place.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by 0xmohit »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #184
0xmohit wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny. They site says that they don't do that. Quoting from Reddit Help: Will you remove something defamatory about me or my friend? [0]: The best way to deal with incorrect information on the Internet is to post the correct information next to it. The reddit community is usually very supportive of such a response, and will likely vote to give the correction greater prominence than the original post. Redditors love a…

That quote heavily suggests that it's talking about a one-off post rather than a foaming-at-the-mouth mob spamming libellous abuse.

In that event, wouldn't it better to pull down the post? Better than edits, no?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by eterm »

xg15 wrote: post #138
BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

> Spez's actions harm himself more than users of the site. I'm not sure. If everyone would say "alright, it was incorrect but we don't want any internet drama", then how exactly would it hurt him? Closing a subreddit seems to me like exactly the kind of thing that could communicate a "not OK". I think it's especially necessary as the edits had been done in a trump support group subreddit. Even though I don't agree wi…

I agree, and also yes he admitted it, but isn't that worse?

There weren't any safeguards or anything to catch it on the reddit organisation side. It was only users noticing forcing an admission that means it's even a matter of record.

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